All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!!

Traveller · 22nd November 2007, 00:32

Hello -

I'm a PURE newbie, but a determined and disciplined trainer. I'm burning through 4-6 tanks "air"/wk locally and 20 on trips because I've found peace sub-surface! I only have a DM+Nitrox (PADI) but want more.

Most tell me that CCR isn't worth the investment because you can't travel with it easily and most areas don't have O2/some diluents available.

I think the training and $$'s will be negligible investments when placed along side the benefits!

Any advice welcome!

doug allen · 22nd November 2007, 00:41

CCR Diving is not Wallet Friendly....lol

Ferg3333 · 22nd November 2007, 00:47

I travel with my unit and its not a major problem. I would advise a small light unit look on here to see whats the lightest. I would say get it and welcome to the quiet world.

Shawn · 22nd November 2007, 01:08

This is a subject that has been discussed on other threads. If i'm going to try to give you an answer I need to make a few assumptions on this, so if I make an incorrect one please don't be offended.

1) If your going through that much air on dives you are more than likely a new diver. The more you dive the better your SAC rate will become. Once you get the breathing down a single 80 can last you quite a while. I would advise you to keep diving OC until your SAC rate gets better (exercising will help a lot!). I would also look into taking some advanced classes ie- adv nitrox, tri mix, deep, decompression etc...

2) rebreathers are very advanced pieces of diving equipment. Rushing into one before you are ready can and will mostlikely kill you!

3) I have never been anywhere where I couldn't get O2... in fact I would question diving anywhere that O2 is not avialable, it's the best treatment for most diving emergancies.

4) The weight of a unit is a very relative thing, here's why;

If you need 35 lbs to get neutral and the unit weighs 10 lbs you will still need 25 lbs. If the unit weighs 35 lbs then you don't need the extra weight and you should be able to trim out a little better. The bottom line is that you weight can either be in rebreather or lead, but know matter which one you choose you are still going to need the same weight.

Take the time to become a good OC diver with very good skills, then move to an Rebreather if after time you still think it's the right move for you.

Hope this helped a little

SS

Mixaddict · 22nd November 2007, 01:14

Welcome to Rebreather World Traveller from just up the road in Salt Lake City. We get down to Lake Mead occasionally with several different CCR units in our group. I'll shoot you a PM next time we are coming and you can check out the different units.

Regards,
Randy

Traveller · 22nd November 2007, 01:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Shawn)

This is a subject that has been discussed on other threads. If i'm going to try to give you an answer I need to make a few assumptions on this, so if I make an incorrect one please don't be offended.

1) If your going through that much air on dives you are more than likely a new diver. The more you dive the better your SAC rate will become. Once you get the breathing down a single 80 can last you quite a while. I would advise you to keep diving OC until your SAC rate gets better (exercising will help a lot!). I would also look into taking some advanced classes ie- adv nitrox, tri mix, deep, decompression etc...

2) rebreathers are very advanced pieces of diving equipment. Rushing into one before you are ready can and will mostlikely kill you!

3) I have never been anywhere where I couldn't get O2... in fact I would question diving anywhere that O2 is not avialable, it's the best treatment for most diving emergancies.

4) The weight of a unit is a very relative thing, here's why;

If you need 35 lbs to get neutral and the unit weighs 10 lbs you will still need 25 lbs. If the unit weighs 35 lbs then you don't need the extra weight and you should be able to trim out a little better. The bottom line is that you weight can either be in rebreather or lead, but know matter which one you choose you are still going to need the same weight.

Take the time to become a good OC diver with very good skills, then move to an Rebreather if after time you still think it's the right move for you.

Hope this helped a little

SS

I can't believe how quickly you all have responded!!.....THANX.

My thread was a little vague I guess. 4, 6, 20 tanks meant dives. I'm getting 45-50 min. on 100'+ multilevel dives, 60-70 min in the shallows. (Bouy and SAC were my first priorities)

I agree that religious training is critical to both the experience AND survival. I review EVERY dive for mistakes/safety improvements.

I'm very happy to hear that GAS is available.

What should I look for in a qualified Instructor for adv training?

Traveller · 22nd November 2007, 01:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mixaddict)

Welcome to Rebreather World Traveller from just up the road in Salt Lake City. We get down to Lake Mead occasionally with several different CCR units in our group. I'll shoot you a PM next time we are coming and you can check out the different units.

Regards,
Randy

Excellent. I am very interested in talking with you...I'm on the lake every weekend. Have access craft slipped at LVBH.

Traveller · 22nd November 2007, 01:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ferg3333)

I travel with my unit and its not a major problem. I would advise a small light unit look on here to see whats the lightest. I would say get it and welcome to the quiet world.

Thanx for the welcome.

I'm looking at the Evolution....what do you think?

Traveller · 22nd November 2007, 01:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by doug allen)

CCR Diving is not Wallet Friendly....lol

I know....Oh well....Nothin good comes cheap! Actually, I think lower segmentation would probably worry me.

Shawn · 22nd November 2007, 01:49

http://www.diveone.net/sitebuilderco...iles/nov07.pdf

This is a link to an article I wrote about what to expect from an instructor...it's in the rough draft form right now, but it gets the point accross.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions.

Thanks

SS

22nd November 2007, 00:32	#1 (permalink)
Traveller New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 5	All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! Hello - I'm a PURE newbie, but a determined and disciplined trainer. I'm burning through 4-6 tanks "air"/wk locally and 20 on trips because I've found peace sub-surface! I only have a DM+Nitrox (PADI) but want more. Most tell me that CCR isn't worth the investment because you can't travel with it easily and most areas don't have O2/some diluents available. I think the training and $$'s will be negligible investments when placed along side the benefits! Any advice welcome! __________________ Traveller Silent Peace!
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22nd November 2007, 00:41	#2 (permalink)
doug allen New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Optima Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Asheboro, NC Posts: 24	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! CCR Diving is not Wallet Friendly....lol
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22nd November 2007, 00:47	#3 (permalink)
Ferg3333 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Blackpool Posts: 120	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! I travel with my unit and its not a major problem. I would advise a small light unit look on here to see whats the lightest. I would say get it and welcome to the quiet world.
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22nd November 2007, 01:08	#4 (permalink)
Shawn Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kansas City Kansas Posts: 105	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! This is a subject that has been discussed on other threads. If i'm going to try to give you an answer I need to make a few assumptions on this, so if I make an incorrect one please don't be offended. 1) If your going through that much air on dives you are more than likely a new diver. The more you dive the better your SAC rate will become. Once you get the breathing down a single 80 can last you quite a while. I would advise you to keep diving OC until your SAC rate gets better (exercising will help a lot!). I would also look into taking some advanced classes ie- adv nitrox, tri mix, deep, decompression etc... 2) rebreathers are very advanced pieces of diving equipment. Rushing into one before you are ready can and will mostlikely kill you! 3) I have never been anywhere where I couldn't get O2... in fact I would question diving anywhere that O2 is not avialable, it's the best treatment for most diving emergancies. 4) The weight of a unit is a very relative thing, here's why; If you need 35 lbs to get neutral and the unit weighs 10 lbs you will still need 25 lbs. If the unit weighs 35 lbs then you don't need the extra weight and you should be able to trim out a little better. The bottom line is that you weight can either be in rebreather or lead, but know matter which one you choose you are still going to need the same weight. Take the time to become a good OC diver with very good skills, then move to an Rebreather if after time you still think it's the right move for you. Hope this helped a little SS __________________ WWW.DiveOne.net
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22nd November 2007, 01:14	#5 (permalink)
Mixaddict Always Learning! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Draper, Utah USA Posts: 423	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! Welcome to Rebreather World Traveller from just up the road in Salt Lake City. We get down to Lake Mead occasionally with several different CCR units in our group. I'll shoot you a PM next time we are coming and you can check out the different units. Regards, Randy __________________ Randy Thornton (MixAddict) Inspiration, Evolution,Hammerhead & Sentinel CCR Instructor
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22nd November 2007, 01:26	#6 (permalink)
Traveller New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 5	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Shawn) This is a subject that has been discussed on other threads. If i'm going to try to give you an answer I need to make a few assumptions on this, so if I make an incorrect one please don't be offended. 1) If your going through that much air on dives you are more than likely a new diver. The more you dive the better your SAC rate will become. Once you get the breathing down a single 80 can last you quite a while. I would advise you to keep diving OC until your SAC rate gets better (exercising will help a lot!). I would also look into taking some advanced classes ie- adv nitrox, tri mix, deep, decompression etc... 2) rebreathers are very advanced pieces of diving equipment. Rushing into one before you are ready can and will mostlikely kill you! 3) I have never been anywhere where I couldn't get O2... in fact I would question diving anywhere that O2 is not avialable, it's the best treatment for most diving emergancies. 4) The weight of a unit is a very relative thing, here's why; If you need 35 lbs to get neutral and the unit weighs 10 lbs you will still need 25 lbs. If the unit weighs 35 lbs then you don't need the extra weight and you should be able to trim out a little better. The bottom line is that you weight can either be in rebreather or lead, but know matter which one you choose you are still going to need the same weight. Take the time to become a good OC diver with very good skills, then move to an Rebreather if after time you still think it's the right move for you. Hope this helped a little SS I can't believe how quickly you all have responded!!.....THANX. My thread was a little vague I guess. 4, 6, 20 tanks meant dives. I'm getting 45-50 min. on 100'+ multilevel dives, 60-70 min in the shallows. (Bouy and SAC were my first priorities) I agree that religious training is critical to both the experience AND survival. I review EVERY dive for mistakes/safety improvements. I'm very happy to hear that GAS is available. What should I look for in a qualified Instructor for adv training? __________________ Traveller Silent Peace!
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22nd November 2007, 01:31	#7 (permalink)
Traveller New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 5	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Mixaddict) Welcome to Rebreather World Traveller from just up the road in Salt Lake City. We get down to Lake Mead occasionally with several different CCR units in our group. I'll shoot you a PM next time we are coming and you can check out the different units. Regards, Randy Excellent. I am very interested in talking with you...I'm on the lake every weekend. Have access craft slipped at LVBH. __________________ Traveller Silent Peace!
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22nd November 2007, 01:34	#8 (permalink)
Traveller New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 5	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Ferg3333) I travel with my unit and its not a major problem. I would advise a small light unit look on here to see whats the lightest. I would say get it and welcome to the quiet world. Thanx for the welcome. I'm looking at the Evolution....what do you think? __________________ Traveller Silent Peace!
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22nd November 2007, 01:37	#9 (permalink)
Traveller New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 5	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by doug allen) CCR Diving is not Wallet Friendly....lol I know....Oh well....Nothin good comes cheap! Actually, I think lower segmentation would probably worry me. __________________ Traveller Silent Peace!
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22nd November 2007, 01:49	#10 (permalink)
Shawn Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kansas City Kansas Posts: 105	Re: All adviseing against!! I still feel I must!!! http://www.diveone.net/sitebuilderco...iles/nov07.pdf This is a link to an article I wrote about what to expect from an instructor...it's in the rough draft form right now, but it gets the point accross. Please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. Thanks SS __________________ WWW.DiveOne.net
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