Which rebreather Wiki

Abbo · 8th June 2007, 06:51

The subject of Wikis has come up before, and I never really understood why they have not caught on at Rebreather World. One place they might really be useful is as a repositary of basic information to compare between different rebreathers, perhaps with the onus on manufacturers to provide basic factual information?

Chosing a rebreather is a minefield: when you first try them you're going to feel unsafe - because you are: you're untrained. It's nothing to do with the model you're test-driving, it's just because you're test-driving before you pass your driving test. That training is expensive and unit-specific. You're not going to feel at home on a unit till you own it and adapt it: tightening and cutting off straps, adding surgical tube and snap links - and most importantly by buying BOVs and other such tools. By that time you've sunk a load of money and time. But people come on Rebreather World asking "which is the best rebreather". The answer, of course, is "it's a tool: there's no best tool per se, just a best tool for the job. A hammer isn't better than a saw. What are you planning on doing with it?". Not only as a resource to answer that 'which one' question but also as a repositary for details like 'what does it weigh' and 'how big is it', it would be nice to have one place to go to get information compared across all units. A newbie would then be able to compare side-by-side to answer the question "which models are small and light enough to go as hand luggage'. And owners would have somewhere to go for the dimensions when they want to buy a carrying case. Would this idea fly?

Finding instructors is a similar minefield. Would it be possible to get instructors to put their details on a Google Map along with the units and courses they teach?

sven · 8th June 2007, 08:17

Great thought! Can I point you to Scupedia, which would be the perfect place to contribute a few more articles about rebreathers. It has been a bit quiet on Scupedia recently, so maybe this is the time to get back into adding stuff.

What do you think?

tecdivertraining · 8th June 2007, 10:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Abbo)

The subject of Wikis has come up before, and I never really understood why they have not caught on at Rebreather World. One place they might really be useful is as a repositary of basic information to compare between different rebreathers, perhaps with the onus on manufacturers to provide basic factual information?

Chosing a rebreather is a minefield: when you first try them you're going to feel unsafe - because you are: you're untrained. It's nothing to do with the model you're test-driving, it's just because you're test-driving before you pass your driving test. That training is expensive and unit-specific. You're not going to feel at home on a unit till you own it and adapt it: tightening and cutting off straps, adding surgical tube and snap links - and most importantly by buying BOVs and other such tools. By that time you've sunk a load of money and time. But people come on Rebreather World asking "which is the best rebreather". The answer, of course, is "it's a tool: there's no best tool per se, just a best tool for the job. A hammer isn't better than a saw. What are you planning on doing with it?". Not only as a resource to answer that 'which one' question but also as a repositary for details like 'what does it weigh' and 'how big is it', it would be nice to have one place to go to get information compared across all units. A newbie would then be able to compare side-by-side to answer the question "which models are small and light enough to go as hand luggage'. And owners would have somewhere to go for the dimensions when they want to buy a carrying case. Would this idea fly?

Finding instructors is a similar minefield. Would it be possible to get instructors to put their details on a Google Map along with the units and courses they teach?

Hi Buddy

Nice to see you actively putting time into Rebreather World, have fun this weekend dive safe and check your bloody O2, I will get a reply to you ASAP on the quote from ISC on your new lung.

Cheers

Abbo · 11th June 2007, 00:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by tecdivertraining)

Hi Buddy

Nice to see you actively putting time into Rebreather World, have fun this weekend dive safe and check your bloody O2, I will get a reply to you ASAP on the quote from ISC on your new lung.

Cheers

Thanks chief: I'm still alive. The source of the O2 was Nippon Sanso: a top supplier of ultra high-purity gases to the semiconductor industry. It was medical grade 87799 oxygen guaranteed a minimum of 99.5% O2 by volume. I took the spec sheets back with me. It may not pass as many times through the fractional distillation process as semiconductor gases, but my belief is the purity is far higher than 99.5%. The O2 bank and booster were in a seperate room from the other pumps, so I took the only risk of inpurities to be a deliberate decision by the operator to kill me! It was frustrating not to be able to independently verify the purity, but I took a decision that diving on it was an acceptable risk - once - especially after carting 40kg of gear out on my back to a remote site. I shan't depend on somebody else to remember the analyser again: I'm just on the Oxycheq website now looking for a cheap analyser. Always one more thing to buy...

I felt sorry last week for a couple of people on Rebreather World trying to get information about which rebreather to buy. The bumpy ride one got was perhaps largely self-inflicted but the point remains. Having not so long ago been through the same process I thought it would be nice for RBW to collate information to make the process easier. The suggestion, however, appears to have been met with a resounding silence, so I'll leave it at that. I fell on my feet with both the 'breather I bought and the instructor I chose, and I expect other people are able to fend for themselves too.

8th June 2007, 06:51	#1 (permalink)
Abbo Going down on Meg Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokyo Posts: 389	Which rebreather Wiki The subject of Wikis has come up before, and I never really understood why they have not caught on at Rebreather World. One place they might really be useful is as a repositary of basic information to compare between different rebreathers, perhaps with the onus on manufacturers to provide basic factual information? Chosing a rebreather is a minefield: when you first try them you're going to feel unsafe - because you are: you're untrained. It's nothing to do with the model you're test-driving, it's just because you're test-driving before you pass your driving test. That training is expensive and unit-specific. You're not going to feel at home on a unit till you own it and adapt it: tightening and cutting off straps, adding surgical tube and snap links - and most importantly by buying BOVs and other such tools. By that time you've sunk a load of money and time. But people come on Rebreather World asking "which is the best rebreather". The answer, of course, is "it's a tool: there's no best tool per se, just a best tool for the job. A hammer isn't better than a saw. What are you planning on doing with it?". Not only as a resource to answer that 'which one' question but also as a repositary for details like 'what does it weigh' and 'how big is it', it would be nice to have one place to go to get information compared across all units. A newbie would then be able to compare side-by-side to answer the question "which models are small and light enough to go as hand luggage'. And owners would have somewhere to go for the dimensions when they want to buy a carrying case. Would this idea fly? Finding instructors is a similar minefield. Would it be possible to get instructors to put their details on a Google Map along with the units and courses they teach? Last edited by Abbo : 8th June 2007 at 06:53.
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8th June 2007, 08:17	#2 (permalink)
sven Blogs Admin / Forum Mod Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 574	Re: Which rebreather Wiki Great thought! Can I point you to Scupedia, which would be the perfect place to contribute a few more articles about rebreathers. It has been a bit quiet on Scupedia recently, so maybe this is the time to get back into adding stuff. What do you think? __________________ Regards, Sven [SIZE=1]The Sydney Project website: [URL]http://www.sydneyproject.com[/URL] My Blog: [URL]http://sven.rebreatherworld.com[/URL] "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain[/SIZE]
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8th June 2007, 10:28	#3 (permalink)
tecdivertraining RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Phuket, Thailand Posts: 401	Re: Which rebreather Wiki Quote: (Originally Posted by Abbo) The subject of Wikis has come up before, and I never really understood why they have not caught on at Rebreather World. One place they might really be useful is as a repositary of basic information to compare between different rebreathers, perhaps with the onus on manufacturers to provide basic factual information? Chosing a rebreather is a minefield: when you first try them you're going to feel unsafe - because you are: you're untrained. It's nothing to do with the model you're test-driving, it's just because you're test-driving before you pass your driving test. That training is expensive and unit-specific. You're not going to feel at home on a unit till you own it and adapt it: tightening and cutting off straps, adding surgical tube and snap links - and most importantly by buying BOVs and other such tools. By that time you've sunk a load of money and time. But people come on Rebreather World asking "which is the best rebreather". The answer, of course, is "it's a tool: there's no best tool per se, just a best tool for the job. A hammer isn't better than a saw. What are you planning on doing with it?". Not only as a resource to answer that 'which one' question but also as a repositary for details like 'what does it weigh' and 'how big is it', it would be nice to have one place to go to get information compared across all units. A newbie would then be able to compare side-by-side to answer the question "which models are small and light enough to go as hand luggage'. And owners would have somewhere to go for the dimensions when they want to buy a carrying case. Would this idea fly? Finding instructors is a similar minefield. Would it be possible to get instructors to put their details on a Google Map along with the units and courses they teach? Hi Buddy Nice to see you actively putting time into Rebreather World, have fun this weekend dive safe and check your bloody O2, I will get a reply to you ASAP on the quote from ISC on your new lung. Cheers __________________ Mathew Partridge Technical Director Pro-Tech Dive College www.protechdivers.com www.tech-ccr.com
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11th June 2007, 00:56	#4 (permalink)
Abbo Going down on Meg Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokyo Posts: 389	Re: Which rebreather Wiki Quote: (Originally Posted by tecdivertraining) Hi Buddy Nice to see you actively putting time into Rebreather World, have fun this weekend dive safe and check your bloody O2, I will get a reply to you ASAP on the quote from ISC on your new lung. Cheers Thanks chief: I'm still alive. The source of the O2 was Nippon Sanso: a top supplier of ultra high-purity gases to the semiconductor industry. It was medical grade 87799 oxygen guaranteed a minimum of 99.5% O2 by volume. I took the spec sheets back with me. It may not pass as many times through the fractional distillation process as semiconductor gases, but my belief is the purity is far higher than 99.5%. The O2 bank and booster were in a seperate room from the other pumps, so I took the only risk of inpurities to be a deliberate decision by the operator to kill me! It was frustrating not to be able to independently verify the purity, but I took a decision that diving on it was an acceptable risk - once - especially after carting 40kg of gear out on my back to a remote site. I shan't depend on somebody else to remember the analyser again: I'm just on the Oxycheq website now looking for a cheap analyser. Always one more thing to buy... I felt sorry last week for a couple of people on Rebreather World trying to get information about which rebreather to buy. The bumpy ride one got was perhaps largely self-inflicted but the point remains. Having not so long ago been through the same process I thought it would be nice for RBW to collate information to make the process easier. The suggestion, however, appears to have been met with a resounding silence, so I'll leave it at that. I fell on my feet with both the 'breather I bought and the instructor I chose, and I expect other people are able to fend for themselves too.
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