OC bailout?

Martin PK Divers · 2nd May 2007, 13:46

Ok i'm v new to Rebreather's. Don't fully understand everything but am sure i know the principles.

I understand the need for bailout as i dive solo to the 30-40m mark frequently. I obviously still dive OC at this stage.

So all you Rebreather guys and gurls, why don't you have a mini RB as bailout? Why do you have OC as bailout? Has no one come up with a micro bail out RB unit? Or do you like the look of tanks hanging of you? Not too streamlined is it?

(Er, tongue in cheek poke and a jestful smile) From an outside looking in point of view it seems that anything that isn't streamlined is cursed unless it's a bottle of trimix swaying about in the current? Surely a nice neat 'ascent only' Rebreather that would fit somewhere on your person similar to an emergency chute for skydiving would be better than a couple of bottles swinging about?

Ben Field · 2nd May 2007, 13:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin PK Divers)

Ok i'm v new to Rebreather's. Don't fully understand everything but am sure i know the principles.

I understand the need for bailout as i dive solo to the 30-40m mark frequently. I obviously still dive OC at this stage.

So all you Rebreather guys and gurls, why don't you have a mini RB as bailout? Why do you have OC as bailout? Has no one come up with a micro bail out RB unit? Or do you like the look of tanks hanging of you? Not too streamlined is it?

(Er, tongue in cheek poke and a jestful smile) From an outside looking in point of view it seems that anything that isn't streamlined is cursed unless it's a bottle of trimix swaying about in the current? Surely a nice neat 'ascent only' Rebreather that would fit somewhere on your person similar to an emergency chute for skydiving would be better than a couple of bottles swinging about?

Hi Martin, do a search for Bailout Rebreathers on here, its been discussed endlessly.... it sounds easy but consider the implications of starting a cold, rebreather in an emergancy situation.... you've got to have carried it up till the point you need it, keeping it dry, unflooded, electronics primed, O2 and Dil ready but not in use etc.

Its trickier than it sounds.

OC sucks but it generally works from off to 100% on in less than a second.

Dave Crampton · 2nd May 2007, 14:20

(what Ben said) plus most divers have OC already and some will have stages with OC regs too. Its very easy to just put a mix in the tin for your max depth and use that for minimum cost.

Dave C

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 2nd May 2007, 14:55

A lot of people can't wait for the day that there is a more practical way to carry a small bail out rebreather instead of open circuit tanks. It is possible right now, but as stated above, it is not a simple as carrying open circuit in many respects.

Hopefully, the day will be coming soon.

paulraymaekers · 2nd May 2007, 16:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Crampton)

(what Ben said) plus most divers have OC already and some will have stages with OC regs too. Its very easy to just put a mix in the tin for your max depth and use that for minimum cost.

Dave C

roughly I would say, at the moment, if you can do it with 2 tanks (10 or 12 liter) as OC bail-out, it's easier with OC than BOB
the tanks are always ready to use, for each dive.. the BOB must be checked/prepared for each dive..
people are used to OC, changing regulators...

if you need 3 big tanks or more to get up or out... BOB can be an alternative, if you can handle it...

paul

pete611 · 2nd May 2007, 20:37

Hi....and Welcome to Rebreather World..... rebreather Divers always thinking bailout first an live to dive other day

Martin PK Divers · 2nd May 2007, 22:40

Ok. Thanks for the responses.

2nd May 2007, 13:46	#1 (permalink)
Martin PK Divers New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5	OC bailout? Ok i'm v new to Rebreather's. Don't fully understand everything but am sure i know the principles. I understand the need for bailout as i dive solo to the 30-40m mark frequently. I obviously still dive OC at this stage. So all you Rebreather guys and gurls, why don't you have a mini RB as bailout? Why do you have OC as bailout? Has no one come up with a micro bail out RB unit? Or do you like the look of tanks hanging of you? Not too streamlined is it? (Er, tongue in cheek poke and a jestful smile) From an outside looking in point of view it seems that anything that isn't streamlined is cursed unless it's a bottle of trimix swaying about in the current? Surely a nice neat 'ascent only' Rebreather that would fit somewhere on your person similar to an emergency chute for skydiving would be better than a couple of bottles swinging about?
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2nd May 2007, 13:59	#2 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,485	Re: OC bailout? Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin PK Divers) Ok i'm v new to Rebreather's. Don't fully understand everything but am sure i know the principles. I understand the need for bailout as i dive solo to the 30-40m mark frequently. I obviously still dive OC at this stage. So all you Rebreather guys and gurls, why don't you have a mini RB as bailout? Why do you have OC as bailout? Has no one come up with a micro bail out RB unit? Or do you like the look of tanks hanging of you? Not too streamlined is it? (Er, tongue in cheek poke and a jestful smile) From an outside looking in point of view it seems that anything that isn't streamlined is cursed unless it's a bottle of trimix swaying about in the current? Surely a nice neat 'ascent only' Rebreather that would fit somewhere on your person similar to an emergency chute for skydiving would be better than a couple of bottles swinging about? Hi Martin, do a search for Bailout Rebreathers on here, its been discussed endlessly.... it sounds easy but consider the implications of starting a cold, rebreather in an emergancy situation.... you've got to have carried it up till the point you need it, keeping it dry, unflooded, electronics primed, O2 and Dil ready but not in use etc. Its trickier than it sounds. OC sucks but it generally works from off to 100% on in less than a second. __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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2nd May 2007, 14:20	#3 (permalink)
Dave Crampton CK #051 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bury St Edmunds, UK Posts: 278	Re: OC bailout? (what Ben said) plus most divers have OC already and some will have stages with OC regs too. Its very easy to just put a mix in the tin for your max depth and use that for minimum cost. Dave C
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2nd May 2007, 14:55	#4 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 1,939	Re: OC bailout? A lot of people can't wait for the day that there is a more practical way to carry a small bail out rebreather instead of open circuit tanks. It is possible right now, but as stated above, it is not a simple as carrying open circuit in many respects. Hopefully, the day will be coming soon. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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2nd May 2007, 16:54	#5 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,384	Re: OC bailout? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Crampton) (what Ben said) plus most divers have OC already and some will have stages with OC regs too. Its very easy to just put a mix in the tin for your max depth and use that for minimum cost. Dave C roughly I would say, at the moment, if you can do it with 2 tanks (10 or 12 liter) as OC bail-out, it's easier with OC than BOB the tanks are always ready to use, for each dive.. the BOB must be checked/prepared for each dive.. people are used to OC, changing regulators... if you need 3 big tanks or more to get up or out... BOB can be an alternative, if you can handle it... paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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2nd May 2007, 20:37	#6 (permalink)
pete611 RBD one dive at a time... Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 223	Re: OC bailout? Hi....and Welcome to Rebreather World..... rebreather Divers always thinking bailout first an live to dive other day __________________ Warm Water Only For Me Please.. ><))))°> ><))))°> WARNING: the rebreather is not broken is a Dolphin!!!
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2nd May 2007, 22:40	#7 (permalink)
Martin PK Divers New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5	Re: OC bailout? Ok. Thanks for the responses.
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