Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units

bgpartri · 17th January 2007, 17:13

Unfortunately, WindyMiller had the old Shearwater.

I would love to get a set of Smithers. There wouldn't be any interesting technology on them - they are about 8 years old after all. But I would still like a set for the technology museum in my closet

So I will offer the same $1,000 discount for one (only) Smithers upgrade.

bgpartri · 17th January 2007, 17:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

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Anyone managed to buy the trimix code from Will ?
...

Some people definately did. There are some trimix sets out there.

Tom had a class in Cayman a few years ago and he upgraded a couple of people during the class. It might have been Hutch and Christine.

I was at the other end of the island teaching an Inspiration course, but I was up visiting when he was on the phone to Will.

Bruce

webhead · 17th January 2007, 17:32

So from Joe's post, it sounds like a single code might have been used?!?!? That seems odd. I figured it would be tied to the serial number. That is, some hash of the code your unit needs with the serial number that matches the universal unlock code buried in the program. e.g. s/n 000003 -> f(591712) = 123456 or 22B.

Is there a way to get a serial number off the screen of a Smithers handset? Not a serial number etched on it but does the electronics "know" it's own number.

The desire to build a code that can't be cracked is the dream of many people, especially in the computer/software business. Yet it seems to happen every day - stuff gets cracked. I don't believe anything is impossible, just a lot more difficult to do.

bgpartri · 17th January 2007, 18:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Yes, I will be getting one also when Bruce sorted out the lid with Leon. And I already have a Shearwater-YBOD unit.

I spoke to Leon about heads, and since quite a number of people have asked, I will repeat what he told me.

He doesn't want to just sell heads. You will need to buy at least a COPIS Meg to get a head. It could then be upgraded.

If you already own a Meg and want a spare head, he will consider that, but you will need to contact him directly.

If you want more details, you should call him directly.

Bruce

bgpartri · 17th January 2007, 18:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri)

I would love to get a set of Smithers. There wouldn't be any interesting technology on them - they are about 8 years old after all. But I would still like a set for the technology museum in my closet

So I will offer the same $1,000 discount for one (only) Smithers upgrade.

The offer has been claimed.

Bruce

decoweenie · 17th January 2007, 18:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead)

...I figured it would be tied to the serial number...

AFAIK, it is.

***jradomski*** · 17th January 2007, 19:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead)

So from Joe's post, it sounds like a single code might have been used?!?!? That seems odd. I figured it would be tied to the serial number. That is, some hash of the code your unit needs with the serial number that matches the universal unlock code buried in the program. e.g. s/n 000003 -> f(591712) = 123456 or 22B.

Is there a way to get a serial number off the screen of a Smithers handset? Not a serial number etched on it but does the electronics "know" it's own number.

The desire to build a code that can't be cracked is the dream of many people, especially in the computer/software business. Yet it seems to happen every day - stuff gets cracked. I don't believe anything is impossible, just a lot more difficult to do.

No I am not implying anything.. I havent even played with the mentioned electronics.. I am talking hypothetically and responding to another post about security. Please don't try and attach the posts.. The reason I have mentioned it is that alot of well intentioned things have simple solutions and back doors..

back from the old iBM rs6000 days memory used to be filled by default with the hex values DE AD BE EF.. Code done by many older programmers use passwords like this frequently (since its not defaulting to zero).. In fact a satellite security card (big $$) had a back door password of DE AD BE EF BA AD F0 0D (in hexadecimal), that allowed full access to the system!

All my posts are from a technological standpoint.. I personally wouldn't support cracking the above product even though its no longer supported since one of the parties involved is still around.. And I think its in bad taste to discuss it since he does visit this forum.

decoweenie · 17th January 2007, 19:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

I personally wouldn't support cracking the above product even though its no longer supported since one of the parties involved is still around.. And I think its in bad taste to discuss it since he does visit this forum.

If you meant Kevin, I believe I had discussed about this with him in passing in the past.

AFAIK, Kevin doesn't have access to the code. And I highly doubt if Will's wife will care to make small change in exchange for the liability risk.

So what does that leave the people with the electronic ? I don't think it is fair either...

If I misunderstand Kevin, and he could sell the code, I would buy it to support him. No problem!

windymiller · 17th January 2007, 20:56

[quote=bgpartri;90536]Unfortunately, WindyMiller had the old Shearwater.

OOps, my bad!!

New to the world of Meg!

P6017 · 17th January 2007, 22:57

my understanding is that the run times between the tri/mix and non trim/mix electronics, are not substantially different. Bruce is correct, Hutch and Chritina both had the tri/mix enabled smithers units.

17th January 2007, 17:13	#11 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Unfortunately, WindyMiller had the old Shearwater. I would love to get a set of Smithers. There wouldn't be any interesting technology on them - they are about 8 years old after all. But I would still like a set for the technology museum in my closet So I will offer the same $1,000 discount for one (only) Smithers upgrade. __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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17th January 2007, 17:18	#12 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) ... Anyone managed to buy the trimix code from Will ? ... Some people definately did. There are some trimix sets out there. Tom had a class in Cayman a few years ago and he upgraded a couple of people during the class. It might have been Hutch and Christine. I was at the other end of the island teaching an Inspiration course, but I was up visiting when he was on the phone to Will. Bruce __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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17th January 2007, 17:32	#13 (permalink)
webhead Earning the green stuff.. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East central Florida Posts: 284	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units So from Joe's post, it sounds like a single code might have been used?!?!? That seems odd. I figured it would be tied to the serial number. That is, some hash of the code your unit needs with the serial number that matches the universal unlock code buried in the program. e.g. s/n 000003 -> f(591712) = 123456 or 22B. Is there a way to get a serial number off the screen of a Smithers handset? Not a serial number etched on it but does the electronics "know" it's own number. The desire to build a code that can't be cracked is the dream of many people, especially in the computer/software business. Yet it seems to happen every day - stuff gets cracked. I don't believe anything is impossible, just a lot more difficult to do. __________________ "These are not the droids you are looking for.... move along" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
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17th January 2007, 18:33	#14 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Yes, I will be getting one also when Bruce sorted out the lid with Leon. And I already have a Shearwater-YBOD unit. I spoke to Leon about heads, and since quite a number of people have asked, I will repeat what he told me. He doesn't want to just sell heads. You will need to buy at least a COPIS Meg to get a head. It could then be upgraded. If you already own a Meg and want a spare head, he will consider that, but you will need to contact him directly. If you want more details, you should call him directly. Bruce __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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17th January 2007, 18:34	#15 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri) I would love to get a set of Smithers. There wouldn't be any interesting technology on them - they are about 8 years old after all. But I would still like a set for the technology museum in my closet So I will offer the same $1,000 discount for one (only) Smithers upgrade. The offer has been claimed. Bruce __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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17th January 2007, 18:45	#16 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead) ...I figured it would be tied to the serial number... AFAIK, it is. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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17th January 2007, 19:23	#17 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead) So from Joe's post, it sounds like a single code might have been used?!?!? That seems odd. I figured it would be tied to the serial number. That is, some hash of the code your unit needs with the serial number that matches the universal unlock code buried in the program. e.g. s/n 000003 -> f(591712) = 123456 or 22B. Is there a way to get a serial number off the screen of a Smithers handset? Not a serial number etched on it but does the electronics "know" it's own number. The desire to build a code that can't be cracked is the dream of many people, especially in the computer/software business. Yet it seems to happen every day - stuff gets cracked. I don't believe anything is impossible, just a lot more difficult to do. No I am not implying anything.. I havent even played with the mentioned electronics.. I am talking hypothetically and responding to another post about security. Please don't try and attach the posts.. The reason I have mentioned it is that alot of well intentioned things have simple solutions and back doors.. back from the old iBM rs6000 days memory used to be filled by default with the hex values DE AD BE EF.. Code done by many older programmers use passwords like this frequently (since its not defaulting to zero).. In fact a satellite security card (big $$) had a back door password of DE AD BE EF BA AD F0 0D (in hexadecimal), that allowed full access to the system! All my posts are from a technological standpoint.. I personally wouldn't support cracking the above product even though its no longer supported since one of the parties involved is still around.. And I think its in bad taste to discuss it since he does visit this forum. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 17th January 2007 at 23:18.
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17th January 2007, 19:33	#18 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) I personally wouldn't support cracking the above product even though its no longer supported since one of the parties involved is still around.. And I think its in bad taste to discuss it since he does visit this forum. If you meant Kevin, I believe I had discussed about this with him in passing in the past. AFAIK, Kevin doesn't have access to the code. And I highly doubt if Will's wife will care to make small change in exchange for the liability risk. So what does that leave the people with the electronic ? I don't think it is fair either... If I misunderstand Kevin, and he could sell the code, I would buy it to support him. No problem! __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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17th January 2007, 20:56	#19 (permalink)
windymiller All The Gear, No Idea Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: england Posts: 294	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units [quote=bgpartri;90536]Unfortunately, WindyMiller had the old Shearwater. OOps, my bad!! New to the world of Meg!
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17th January 2007, 22:57	#20 (permalink)
P6017 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 83	Re: Smithers(-Juergensen) electronics for Meg units my understanding is that the run times between the tri/mix and non trim/mix electronics, are not substantially different. Bruce is correct, Hutch and Chritina both had the tri/mix enabled smithers units.
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