CE on MEG?

Soren Thomsen · 4th January 2007, 21:06

Hi all,

does anyone know what the MEG lacks in term of the CE approval? Is it in progress or does the unit have to be altered to be CE approved?

Soren

krause · 4th January 2007, 22:38

Hi Soren

I think the CE approval for the MEG is in progress, I have heard that it will be soon but... one never know.....

Michael

dodelineur · 5th January 2007, 05:10

Hello,

I was told by Steve from ISC that the currently apecs 2 will not have the CE mark...they will only try to have the CE certification with the furutre apecs 3.

Johnny

P6017 · 5th January 2007, 15:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by dodelineur)

Hello,

I was told by Steve from ISC that the currently apecs 2 will not have the CE mark...they will only try to have the CE certification with the furutre apecs 3.

Johnny

Johnny,
I'm not familiar at all with the ins and outs of CE approval, so let me ask you this. If the meg gets CE for the Apeks 3 version and you own a smithers/shearwater/apeks2, can you upgrade to the apeks 3 and get CE?
Pete

quinnw · 5th January 2007, 16:25

I willing to be told I am wrong but...

CE is on a complete system. So to get CE, ISC have to define the system to be tested. The system could have other CE components in it joined to create one system, but that new system would have to be tested to CE….

So ISC, my guess, are holding back on CE till they get number 3 along (been hearing this for a long while). Probably as CE is time consuming and expensive.

CE does allow changing the system spec. but only within certain tolerances.

So back to the question. Theoretically yes a new head on your system could make it CE but in reality unlikely. However where it gets grey and uncertain is: a) Have you modified the Meg and B) How does your Meg differ from the ISC Baseline for CE.

Point A, any modification you do probably invalidates the CE. I believe, again don’t take as gospel, that the Boris was CE approved with UK tanks. Therefore has to ship with UK tanks, even when going to Oz or US. Without the UK tanks it is no longer CE…

Point B, Rebreathers evolve and change. Suppliers, components change. New modifications become standard. ISC has to draw the line and say this Meg, this spec. is going for and gets CE. Which probably will have some slight tweaks and differences to your Meg.

dodelineur · 5th January 2007, 17:51

Hello,

I am not a "specialist", but I was told by ISC that apecs 3 will be really different from apecs 2...so I think maybe the entire system will be revised.
I am not sure the apecs 2 will be upgradable to apecs 3 just by buying a new head (I suppose it will be the case).

anyway, buying an apecs 3 head will not give you a complete CE rebreather...

I have just ordered a few weeks ago my meg with apecs 2 (still waiting for it)...and I don't think CE mark is a very important point for me (but one more time, I am not instructor, diving pro,....) so the only implication for me was about insurance...
I have seen a fellow's unit...he gave me a detailed view about the meg (merci Jean-Luc), and decided to replace my old very beloved good inspo (sniff) to try the meg...

The most important thing to consider I think is about after sale service...
I know the APD service, and never have any problems,...ISC is a small company, more exposed to a complete stop of business, and the electronic is changing quite often, so you don't have a still in production unit after a couple of years...

But I decided to finally buy following my heart (lol)....

more details after a few month of use ;o)

sorry for the tons of mistakes, my mother language is (belgian) French ;o)

P6017 · 5th January 2007, 18:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by quinnw)

I willing to be told I am wrong but...

CE is on a complete system. So to get CE, ISC have to define the system to be tested. The system could have other CE components in it joined to create one system, but that new system would have to be tested to CE….

So ISC, my guess, are holding back on CE till they get number 3 along (been hearing this for a long while). Probably as CE is time consuming and expensive.

CE does allow changing the system spec. but only within certain tolerances.

So back to the question. Theoretically yes a new head on your system could make it CE but in reality unlikely. However where it gets grey and uncertain is: a) Have you modified the Meg and B) How does your Meg differ from the ISC Baseline for CE.

Point A, any modification you do probably invalidates the CE. I believe, again don’t take as gospel, that the Boris was CE approved with UK tanks. Therefore has to ship with UK tanks, even when going to Oz or US. Without the UK tanks it is no longer CE…

Point B, Rebreathers evolve and change. Suppliers, components change. New modifications become standard. ISC has to draw the line and say this Meg, this spec. is going for and gets CE. Which probably will have some slight tweaks and differences to your Meg.

I would not have thought just changing cylinders from UK/USDOT would alter the units certification. The head is really the meg, everything runs from it ie; HUD, handsets, deco(if equipped), solenoid etc. The can, lungs, hoses etc. are the same on all versions IMHO. I'm guessing from prior threads that the CE mark isn't critically important for personal use but seem to remember hearing that some dive facilities in the EU wouldn't allow divers using non CE kit and thought upgrading might get around that.

Chris · 6th January 2007, 00:07

Sorry but this thread gave me a bit of a giggle
Taking it out of context of course but come on fells, if you don't know you don't know

Quote:

I think the CE approval
I am not sure
I'm not familiar at all with
I willing to be told I am wrong but
I believe, again don’t take as gospel
Theoretically yes a new head
I think maybe the entire system will be revised.
I'm guessing from prior threads
been hearing this for a long while
I am not a "specialist",
I'm not familiar at all with the ins and outs

and my fav

Quote:

However where it gets grey and uncertain is

Damn right it is

Cheers
Chriso

4th January 2007, 21:06	#1 (permalink)
Soren Thomsen Happy Hippo Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 166	CE on MEG? Hi all, does anyone know what the MEG lacks in term of the CE approval? Is it in progress or does the unit have to be altered to be CE approved? Soren
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4th January 2007, 22:38	#2 (permalink)
krause New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 26	Re: CE on MEG? Hi Soren I think the CE approval for the MEG is in progress, I have heard that it will be soon but... one never know..... Michael
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5th January 2007, 05:10	#3 (permalink)
dodelineur New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium (Liège) Posts: 96	Re: CE on MEG? Hello, I was told by Steve from ISC that the currently apecs 2 will not have the CE mark...they will only try to have the CE certification with the furutre apecs 3. Johnny
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5th January 2007, 15:47	#4 (permalink)
P6017 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 83	Re: CE on MEG? Quote: (Originally Posted by dodelineur) Hello, I was told by Steve from ISC that the currently apecs 2 will not have the CE mark...they will only try to have the CE certification with the furutre apecs 3. Johnny Johnny, I'm not familiar at all with the ins and outs of CE approval, so let me ask you this. If the meg gets CE for the Apeks 3 version and you own a smithers/shearwater/apeks2, can you upgrade to the apeks 3 and get CE? Pete
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5th January 2007, 16:25	#5 (permalink)
quinnw New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Portishead Posts: 40	Re: CE on MEG? I willing to be told I am wrong but... CE is on a complete system. So to get CE, ISC have to define the system to be tested. The system could have other CE components in it joined to create one system, but that new system would have to be tested to CE…. So ISC, my guess, are holding back on CE till they get number 3 along (been hearing this for a long while). Probably as CE is time consuming and expensive. CE does allow changing the system spec. but only within certain tolerances. So back to the question. Theoretically yes a new head on your system could make it CE but in reality unlikely. However where it gets grey and uncertain is: a) Have you modified the Meg and B) How does your Meg differ from the ISC Baseline for CE. Point A, any modification you do probably invalidates the CE. I believe, again don’t take as gospel, that the Boris was CE approved with UK tanks. Therefore has to ship with UK tanks, even when going to Oz or US. Without the UK tanks it is no longer CE… Point B, Rebreathers evolve and change. Suppliers, components change. New modifications become standard. ISC has to draw the line and say this Meg, this spec. is going for and gets CE. Which probably will have some slight tweaks and differences to your Meg.
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5th January 2007, 17:51	#6 (permalink)
dodelineur New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium (Liège) Posts: 96	Re: CE on MEG? Hello, I am not a "specialist", but I was told by ISC that apecs 3 will be really different from apecs 2...so I think maybe the entire system will be revised. I am not sure the apecs 2 will be upgradable to apecs 3 just by buying a new head (I suppose it will be the case). anyway, buying an apecs 3 head will not give you a complete CE rebreather... I have just ordered a few weeks ago my meg with apecs 2 (still waiting for it)...and I don't think CE mark is a very important point for me (but one more time, I am not instructor, diving pro,....) so the only implication for me was about insurance... I have seen a fellow's unit...he gave me a detailed view about the meg (merci Jean-Luc), and decided to replace my old very beloved good inspo (sniff) to try the meg... The most important thing to consider I think is about after sale service... I know the APD service, and never have any problems,...ISC is a small company, more exposed to a complete stop of business, and the electronic is changing quite often, so you don't have a still in production unit after a couple of years... But I decided to finally buy following my heart (lol).... more details after a few month of use ;o) sorry for the tons of mistakes, my mother language is (belgian) French ;o) Last edited by dodelineur : 5th January 2007 at 18:07.
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5th January 2007, 18:36	#7 (permalink)
P6017 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 83	Re: CE on MEG? Quote: (Originally Posted by quinnw) I willing to be told I am wrong but... CE is on a complete system. So to get CE, ISC have to define the system to be tested. The system could have other CE components in it joined to create one system, but that new system would have to be tested to CE…. So ISC, my guess, are holding back on CE till they get number 3 along (been hearing this for a long while). Probably as CE is time consuming and expensive. CE does allow changing the system spec. but only within certain tolerances. So back to the question. Theoretically yes a new head on your system could make it CE but in reality unlikely. However where it gets grey and uncertain is: a) Have you modified the Meg and B) How does your Meg differ from the ISC Baseline for CE. Point A, any modification you do probably invalidates the CE. I believe, again don’t take as gospel, that the Boris was CE approved with UK tanks. Therefore has to ship with UK tanks, even when going to Oz or US. Without the UK tanks it is no longer CE… Point B, Rebreathers evolve and change. Suppliers, components change. New modifications become standard. ISC has to draw the line and say this Meg, this spec. is going for and gets CE. Which probably will have some slight tweaks and differences to your Meg. I would not have thought just changing cylinders from UK/USDOT would alter the units certification. The head is really the meg, everything runs from it ie; HUD, handsets, deco(if equipped), solenoid etc. The can, lungs, hoses etc. are the same on all versions IMHO. I'm guessing from prior threads that the CE mark isn't critically important for personal use but seem to remember hearing that some dive facilities in the EU wouldn't allow divers using non CE kit and thought upgrading might get around that.
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6th January 2007, 00:07	#8 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 615	Re: CE on MEG? Sorry but this thread gave me a bit of a giggle Taking it out of context of course but come on fells, if you don't know you don't know Quote: I think the CE approval I am not sure I'm not familiar at all with I willing to be told I am wrong but I believe, again don’t take as gospel Theoretically yes a new head I think maybe the entire system will be revised. I'm guessing from prior threads been hearing this for a long while I am not a "specialist", I'm not familiar at all with the ins and outs and my fav Quote: However where it gets grey and uncertain is Damn right it is Cheers Chriso __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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