COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco

**Monkey** · 2nd January 2007, 05:43

can a VR3 be intergrated with a 4th cell to handle DECO with the COPIS MEG?

Steve · 2nd January 2007, 07:21

I would answer; why bother? In this thread I mention the trial I ran with my classic KISS. There just isn't a need for plumbed in deco.

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/inspi...cells-why.html

Mark Chase · 2nd January 2007, 08:01

You can plumb in pretty much anything if you have the balls to start drilling holes

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As for the integrated deco argument. I don't see a need for it but its nice to have. I am much more interested in having a separate system for monitoring PP02. When my computer controlled primary screws up it a worry that the secondary operates on the same programming so a totally isolated /separate system is nice IMHO. Whether or not its completely necessary is another issue.

Recently i switched from the VR3 to the Shearwater and this will give me a read out on all three cells separately which I think is of great benefit as a redundant system. Connection will cost me about £150 so its not a big expense. If it cost me £500 then i probably wouldn't bother but a cost/benefit analysis on £150 works for me.

ATB

Mark Chase

***caveseeker7*** · 2nd January 2007, 08:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

I would answer; why bother? In this thread I mention the trial I ran with my classic KISS. There just isn't a need for plumbed in deco.

While there may not be a need for plumbed in deco a redundant pO2 display, even if just from a single cell, is not a bad idea. Until the HUD becomes available for the COPIS as an option, there is no redundancy at all.

Personally though I would prefer either a redundant display that shows all sensor values or an integrated deco computer that does.

**Monkey** · 2nd January 2007, 17:03

So if I under stand this correctly.... I have just the one hand set with the 3 PPO2 read outs from 3 Cells... there is no other redundancy for the COPIS rig . am I correct?

how long till the HUD will be ready for the COPIS MEG?

***EBT*** · 2nd January 2007, 17:07

Yep. The meg thought process seems to be "start copis for sporty stuff, where loss of electronics is a simple bailout, if you want more committing/deeper diving, go eCCR".

**wedivebc** · 2nd January 2007, 17:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by dartagnansmith)

So if I under stand this correctly.... I have just the one hand set with the 3 PPO2 read outs from 3 Cells... there is no other redundancy for the COPIS rig . am I correct?

how long till the HUD will be ready for the COPIS MEG?

As of right now that is correct. The HUD from what I understand is well on its way and will add a level of redundancy to the copis. At this stage the copis has about the same redundancy as the KISS handset (none) but for recreational diving it is fine.

***EBT*** · 2nd January 2007, 17:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

As of right now that is correct. The HUD from what I understand is well on its way and will add a level of redundancy to the copis. At this stage the copis has about the same redundancy as the KISS handset (none) but for recreational diving it is fine.

Erm, minor point. The kiss handsets are FULLY redundant from each other, you cant get much more redundancy than that

robvdmr13 · 2nd January 2007, 17:58

What about using a plumbed in Shearwater GF and HUD? That gives triple redundancy and deco info.

Robert

**Monkey** · 2nd January 2007, 18:35

well the COPIS meg provides me with a great upgrade path..

one other question.. are the 3 PPO2 displays on the MEG independant from each other or do they share things in common like power supply?

2nd January 2007, 05:43	#1 (permalink)
Monkey Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lauderdale By The Sea Florida Posts: 338	COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco can a VR3 be intergrated with a 4th cell to handle DECO with the COPIS MEG?
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2nd January 2007, 07:21	#2 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,126	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco I would answer; why bother? In this thread I mention the trial I ran with my classic KISS. There just isn't a need for plumbed in deco. http://www.rebreatherworld.com/inspi...cells-why.html __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types.
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2nd January 2007, 08:01	#3 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,858	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco You can plumb in pretty much anything if you have the balls to start drilling holes . As for the integrated deco argument. I don't see a need for it but its nice to have. I am much more interested in having a separate system for monitoring PP02. When my computer controlled primary screws up it a worry that the secondary operates on the same programming so a totally isolated /separate system is nice IMHO. Whether or not its completely necessary is another issue. Recently i switched from the VR3 to the Shearwater and this will give me a read out on all three cells separately which I think is of great benefit as a redundant system. Connection will cost me about £150 so its not a big expense. If it cost me £500 then i probably wouldn't bother but a cost/benefit analysis on £150 works for me. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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2nd January 2007, 08:14	#4 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,556	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) I would answer; why bother? In this thread I mention the trial I ran with my classic KISS. There just isn't a need for plumbed in deco. While there may not be a need for plumbed in deco a redundant pO2 display, even if just from a single cell, is not a bad idea. Until the HUD becomes available for the COPIS as an option, there is no redundancy at all. Personally though I would prefer either a redundant display that shows all sensor values or an integrated deco computer that does. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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2nd January 2007, 17:03	#5 (permalink)
Monkey Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lauderdale By The Sea Florida Posts: 338	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco So if I under stand this correctly.... I have just the one hand set with the 3 PPO2 read outs from 3 Cells... there is no other redundancy for the COPIS rig . am I correct? how long till the HUD will be ready for the COPIS MEG?
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2nd January 2007, 17:07	#6 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,111	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco Yep. The meg thought process seems to be "start copis for sporty stuff, where loss of electronics is a simple bailout, if you want more committing/deeper diving, go eCCR". __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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2nd January 2007, 17:09	#7 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,508	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco Quote: (Originally Posted by dartagnansmith) So if I under stand this correctly.... I have just the one hand set with the 3 PPO2 read outs from 3 Cells... there is no other redundancy for the COPIS rig . am I correct? how long till the HUD will be ready for the COPIS MEG? As of right now that is correct. The HUD from what I understand is well on its way and will add a level of redundancy to the copis. At this stage the copis has about the same redundancy as the KISS handset (none) but for recreational diving it is fine. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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2nd January 2007, 17:14	#8 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,111	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) As of right now that is correct. The HUD from what I understand is well on its way and will add a level of redundancy to the copis. At this stage the copis has about the same redundancy as the KISS handset (none) but for recreational diving it is fine. Erm, minor point. The kiss handsets are FULLY redundant from each other, you cant get much more redundancy than that __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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2nd January 2007, 17:58	#9 (permalink)
robvdmr13 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 44	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco What about using a plumbed in Shearwater GF and HUD? That gives triple redundancy and deco info. Robert
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2nd January 2007, 18:35	#10 (permalink)
Monkey Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lauderdale By The Sea Florida Posts: 338	Re: COPIS MEG and VR3 Deco well the COPIS meg provides me with a great upgrade path.. one other question.. are the 3 PPO2 displays on the MEG independant from each other or do they share things in common like power supply?
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