Wing and Backplate Choice

quickean · 17th December 2006, 19:14

Last time I called ISC, they mentioned that pretty much everyone over there uses the Dive Rite Trek wing.
Guess it depends on if you're diving with a dry suit or not.

mverick · 17th December 2006, 19:37

FredT stainless plate and a Dive Rite Trek wing.

I dive dry. Unless a flood happens

tumbler · 20th December 2006, 16:59

Steel 3L tanks, SS plate, and the Trek wing. Works perfectly when diving dry... No weight needed in Fresh water and only three or so pounds in Salt. I've not yet dove it wet yet... I'll know more when I get back from Mexico.

Cliff

Joe · 20th December 2006, 18:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by windymiller)

anybody know if the Halcyon Evolve 40lb is any good or does the circular design catch on the bottom when stood up?

Don't know about the Evolve but Halcyon Explorer CCR 35 has been discussed at length in these threads:

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...ther-wing.html

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...ng-market.html

I have one and am happy with the way I trim out with it.

mountain diver · 21st December 2006, 01:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by windymiller)

anybody know if the Halcyon Evolve 40lb is any good or does the circular design catch on the bottom when stood up?

you'll find the donut shape of the wing won't work properly with any rebreather,and the positioning of the inflator hose will mess with your breathing loop hoses. check out halcyon's ccr-35 wing or some of the others , like diverite or oxycheq they all have bcd's designed for rebreather divers. all the best
mountain diver

**Scott** · 21st December 2006, 02:08

Why won't a Donut work properly? I'm pretty sure that the DiveRite Venture wing, is both a Donut, and was used on the Meg in the movie 'The Cave'

I'm looking at getting an Oxycheq Vertex 42 when they come out next month.. its a loop as well.. hopefully it will work for me

-Scott

barney · 21st December 2006, 04:02

Halcyon CCR 35 wing and Meadows plate; when diving dry in the ocean I use a standard SS backplate for the extra weight.

BTW, the SEARCH feature of RBW is rather useful

mountain diver · 22nd December 2006, 22:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scott)

Why won't a Donut work properly? I'm pretty sure that the DiveRite Venture wing, is both a Donut, and was used on the Meg in the movie 'The Cave'

I'm looking at getting an Oxycheq Vertex 42 when they come out next month.. its a loop as well.. hopefully it will work for me

-Scott

fit ,form,and function are three rules of design.does the donut (wing) work yes it will, does it work properly? not for the gear set -up your asking it to.it wasn't designed for this purpose.i don't want to get into logistics of application, only to say this, when the above criteria is met,you solve one of the biggest pieces of diving, "the gear issue".

all the best, mountain diver.

p.s. alway's remember- you can alway's make the choice, you don't get to choose the consquence.

OxyCheq · 23rd December 2006, 17:28

Here is an unedited email from a customer who is diving the Vertex 42 I had at DEMA. He could not wait for the production run. He dives a Meg.

"Just a note to tell you how much I enjoy the Vertex 42 wing! I have been diving the Signature series #40 on my Megladon rebreather and did not believe it could get any better until I slapped on the Vertex 42. The wing is streamlined, incredibly well balanced and bulletproof. The shape is ideal for a rebreathers that tend to carry a little extra weight at the bottom due to inverted tanks. The Vertex 42 vents gas flawlessly. Often as you approach the end of the dive and are close to neutral buoyancy you need to vacate the last little bit of gas out of the bag. With most wings, due to their "U"
shape, you must go slightly vertical and vent from the hose vice the rear dump to get the last bit of gas vacated. Not so with the Vertex 42! Simply stay horizontal in the water, lift your tail slightly and pull the rear dump cord. The gas moves effortlessly from one side of the cell to the other and out the rear dump. This is a sweet wing! It is amazing how such a small design change can significantly improve the trim and gas flow characteristics of a wing. Many of my students wonder how I maintain trim and buoyancy impeccably throughout the water column; unfortunately I have to tell them the truth and say "it's the Duffy technique"

"

The 40# Wing U shaped wing was designed for the KISS rebreather and it worked well with a number of other RBs. We made slight modifications to the 40# SS and the result was the Vertex 42.

I am sure once I have the production run completed, you'll hear similar feedback. They won't be out until late January as I am packing everything up now and moving the business to cave country.

Best regards,

Patrick Duffy
---
OxyCheq
OxyCheq ... oxygen analyzers and oxygen sensors

Quote: (Originally Posted by mountain diver)

fit ,form,and function are three rules of design.does the donut (wing) work yes it will, does it work properly? not for the gear set -up your asking it to.it wasn't designed for this purpose.i don't want to get into logistics of application, only to say this, when the above criteria is met,you solve one of the biggest pieces of diving, "the gear issue".

all the best, mountain diver.

p.s. alway's remember- you can alway's make the choice, you don't get to choose the consquence.

Philippe GERIN · 28th December 2006, 16:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by OxyCheq)

The 40# Wing U shaped wing was designed for the KISS rebreather and it worked well with a number of other RBs. We made slight modifications to the 40# SS and the result was the Vertex 42.
I am sure once I have the production run completed, you'll hear similar feedback.
Patrick Duffy

Keep one Vertex 42 at hand. My order's coming in

Best
Philippe

17th December 2006, 19:14	#11 (permalink)
quickean RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Last time I called ISC, they mentioned that pretty much everyone over there uses the Dive Rite Trek wing. Guess it depends on if you're diving with a dry suit or not.
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17th December 2006, 19:37	#12 (permalink)
mverick ScubaPimp Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 555	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice FredT stainless plate and a Dive Rite Trek wing. I dive dry. Unless a flood happens
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20th December 2006, 16:59	#13 (permalink)
tumbler New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California Posts: 28	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Steel 3L tanks, SS plate, and the Trek wing. Works perfectly when diving dry... No weight needed in Fresh water and only three or so pounds in Salt. I've not yet dove it wet yet... I'll know more when I get back from Mexico. Cliff
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20th December 2006, 18:46	#14 (permalink)
Joe RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 321	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Quote: (Originally Posted by windymiller) anybody know if the Halcyon Evolve 40lb is any good or does the circular design catch on the bottom when stood up? Don't know about the Evolve but Halcyon Explorer CCR 35 has been discussed at length in these threads: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...ther-wing.html http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...ng-market.html I have one and am happy with the way I trim out with it.
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21st December 2006, 01:54	#15 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 228	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Quote: (Originally Posted by windymiller) anybody know if the Halcyon Evolve 40lb is any good or does the circular design catch on the bottom when stood up? you'll find the donut shape of the wing won't work properly with any rebreather,and the positioning of the inflator hose will mess with your breathing loop hoses. check out halcyon's ccr-35 wing or some of the others , like diverite or oxycheq they all have bcd's designed for rebreather divers. all the best mountain diver
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21st December 2006, 02:08	#16 (permalink)
Scott Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mendota, Virginia Posts: 181	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Why won't a Donut work properly? I'm pretty sure that the DiveRite Venture wing, is both a Donut, and was used on the Meg in the movie 'The Cave' I'm looking at getting an Oxycheq Vertex 42 when they come out next month.. its a loop as well.. hopefully it will work for me -Scott
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21st December 2006, 04:02	#17 (permalink)
barney EXPLORER Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 294	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Halcyon CCR 35 wing and Meadows plate; when diving dry in the ocean I use a standard SS backplate for the extra weight. BTW, the SEARCH feature of RBW is rather useful __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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22nd December 2006, 22:58	#18 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 228	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Quote: (Originally Posted by Scott) Why won't a Donut work properly? I'm pretty sure that the DiveRite Venture wing, is both a Donut, and was used on the Meg in the movie 'The Cave' I'm looking at getting an Oxycheq Vertex 42 when they come out next month.. its a loop as well.. hopefully it will work for me -Scott fit ,form,and function are three rules of design.does the donut (wing) work yes it will, does it work properly? not for the gear set -up your asking it to.it wasn't designed for this purpose.i don't want to get into logistics of application, only to say this, when the above criteria is met,you solve one of the biggest pieces of diving, "the gear issue". all the best, mountain diver. p.s. alway's remember- you can alway's make the choice, you don't get to choose the consquence.
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23rd December 2006, 17:28	#19 (permalink)
OxyCheq New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Marianna FL USA Posts: 17	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Here is an unedited email from a customer who is diving the Vertex 42 I had at DEMA. He could not wait for the production run. He dives a Meg. "Just a note to tell you how much I enjoy the Vertex 42 wing! I have been diving the Signature series #40 on my Megladon rebreather and did not believe it could get any better until I slapped on the Vertex 42. The wing is streamlined, incredibly well balanced and bulletproof. The shape is ideal for a rebreathers that tend to carry a little extra weight at the bottom due to inverted tanks. The Vertex 42 vents gas flawlessly. Often as you approach the end of the dive and are close to neutral buoyancy you need to vacate the last little bit of gas out of the bag. With most wings, due to their "U" shape, you must go slightly vertical and vent from the hose vice the rear dump to get the last bit of gas vacated. Not so with the Vertex 42! Simply stay horizontal in the water, lift your tail slightly and pull the rear dump cord. The gas moves effortlessly from one side of the cell to the other and out the rear dump. This is a sweet wing! It is amazing how such a small design change can significantly improve the trim and gas flow characteristics of a wing. Many of my students wonder how I maintain trim and buoyancy impeccably throughout the water column; unfortunately I have to tell them the truth and say "it's the Duffy technique"" The 40# Wing U shaped wing was designed for the KISS rebreather and it worked well with a number of other RBs. We made slight modifications to the 40# SS and the result was the Vertex 42. I am sure once I have the production run completed, you'll hear similar feedback. They won't be out until late January as I am packing everything up now and moving the business to cave country. Best regards, Patrick Duffy --- OxyCheq OxyCheq ... oxygen analyzers and oxygen sensors Quote: (Originally Posted by mountain diver) fit ,form,and function are three rules of design.does the donut (wing) work yes it will, does it work properly? not for the gear set -up your asking it to.it wasn't designed for this purpose.i don't want to get into logistics of application, only to say this, when the above criteria is met,you solve one of the biggest pieces of diving, "the gear issue". all the best, mountain diver. p.s. alway's remember- you can alway's make the choice, you don't get to choose the consquence. __________________ OxyCheq ... the diver's source for analytical instruments, wings and other tech diving equipment "Just because someone takes a dump once a day does not qualify them as a proctologist." P. Duffy
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28th December 2006, 16:52	#20 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 647	Re: Wing and Backplate Choice Quote: (Originally Posted by OxyCheq) The 40# Wing U shaped wing was designed for the KISS rebreather and it worked well with a number of other RBs. We made slight modifications to the 40# SS and the result was the Vertex 42. I am sure once I have the production run completed, you'll hear similar feedback. Patrick Duffy Keep one Vertex 42 at hand. My order's coming in Best Philippe
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