COPIS v Kiss Classic

pattimegdiver · 12th December 2006, 09:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

nope it is the copis with the DIV (diluent isolator valve), which you would agree is a must with the excellent high flow ADV of the meg.

I totally agree, would not have it without the diluent isolator.

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 09:59

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 09:59

Hey Patti you too must be "working" tonight?

SINUS · 12th December 2006, 10:25

( "Diluent Isolator......

......Working Tonight" )

pattimegdiver · 12th December 2006, 11:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by SINUS)

( "Diluent Isolator......

......Working Tonight" )

I suspect that mel also works ER nightshift.

SINUS · 12th December 2006, 11:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by pattimegdiver)

I suspect that mel also works ER nightshift.

Yep, ER is a very busy section of the hospital..

Cheers
Wei Lan

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 11:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by SINUS)

Yep, ER is a very busy section of the hospital..

Cheers
Wei Lan

busy on RBW that is

viscya · 12th December 2006, 14:40

It seems to me that the KISS is designed to be simple and easy to use and maintain. With the quick disconnects, BMCL, and simple displays, it is easy to setup up and gear up. On a boat, without assistance, I can be geared up and get in the water as quickly as with a set of doubles. Yes, I have to do a pre breath, but I generally do that while donning the rest of my gear. The QD on the breathing hoses make it easy to clean. The course teaches you how to assemble and maintain the unit. It's a very user friendly unit. As a final note, the BOV gives the user the ultimate reassurance that life sustaining gas is quickly available.

The Meg seems to be built more around rugged function. The OTS counter lungs offer several advantages for deeper dives. There are more recovery modes and deco options. Many of these can be added to the KISS (or other RBs), but they are stock on the Meg. No doubt the Meg is built tougher for deeper dives. However, after diving with Meg buddies, it seems that there are some trade-offs in easy of setup, donning and maintenance.

In which case, you have to ask yourself: How often to you go to 250? How long is your average deco? If your Rebreather does not fail, then do you need off board gas? If your loop floods, will you be able to find and fix the problem underwater?

Half of my dives are No-deco. Most are less than 20 minutes of deco. However, some are 200-250 with significant deco. My KISS has worked great for these dives. If the majority of my dives were 200+, then I would have considered a Meg.

**Dave Sutton** · 12th December 2006, 14:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

disadvantages.... some dont like front mounted CL....

And some prefer it above all other designs.... ;-)

Dave

paulraymaekers · 12th December 2006, 15:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

And some prefer it above all other designs.... ;-)

Dave

YES!!! :-)

and to my opinion, the recovery from a complete flood...
com'on guy's, how many times did you have to do that???
(I 1 time in the last 300 dives, because I was testing a new 'O-ring concept' :-) did not work-out that good :-)

regards

paul

12th December 2006, 09:50	#21 (permalink)
pattimegdiver RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 307	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) nope it is the copis with the DIV (diluent isolator valve), which you would agree is a must with the excellent high flow ADV of the meg. I totally agree, would not have it without the diluent isolator. __________________ Patti Meg Diver Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk
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12th December 2006, 09:59	#22 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 441	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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12th December 2006, 09:59	#23 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 441	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Hey Patti you too must be "working" tonight? __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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12th December 2006, 10:25	#24 (permalink)
SINUS Rebreather Aficionado Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 137km from equator Posts: 196	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic ( "Diluent Isolator............Working Tonight" ) __________________ "Silence Is Always Beautiful"
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12th December 2006, 11:18	#25 (permalink)
pattimegdiver RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 307	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by SINUS) ( "Diluent Isolator............Working Tonight" ) I suspect that mel also works ER nightshift. __________________ Patti Meg Diver Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk
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12th December 2006, 11:27	#26 (permalink)
SINUS Rebreather Aficionado Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 137km from equator Posts: 196	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by pattimegdiver) I suspect that mel also works ER nightshift. Yep, ER is a very busy section of the hospital.. Cheers Wei Lan __________________ "Silence Is Always Beautiful"
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12th December 2006, 11:43	#27 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 441	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by SINUS) Yep, ER is a very busy section of the hospital.. Cheers Wei Lan busy on RBW that is __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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12th December 2006, 14:40	#28 (permalink)
viscya Wrecking Crew Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Marlton New Jersey Posts: 138	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic It seems to me that the KISS is designed to be simple and easy to use and maintain. With the quick disconnects, BMCL, and simple displays, it is easy to setup up and gear up. On a boat, without assistance, I can be geared up and get in the water as quickly as with a set of doubles. Yes, I have to do a pre breath, but I generally do that while donning the rest of my gear. The QD on the breathing hoses make it easy to clean. The course teaches you how to assemble and maintain the unit. It's a very user friendly unit. As a final note, the BOV gives the user the ultimate reassurance that life sustaining gas is quickly available. The Meg seems to be built more around rugged function. The OTS counter lungs offer several advantages for deeper dives. There are more recovery modes and deco options. Many of these can be added to the KISS (or other RBs), but they are stock on the Meg. No doubt the Meg is built tougher for deeper dives. However, after diving with Meg buddies, it seems that there are some trade-offs in easy of setup, donning and maintenance. In which case, you have to ask yourself: How often to you go to 250? How long is your average deco? If your Rebreather does not fail, then do you need off board gas? If your loop floods, will you be able to find and fix the problem underwater? Half of my dives are No-deco. Most are less than 20 minutes of deco. However, some are 200-250 with significant deco. My KISS has worked great for these dives. If the majority of my dives were 200+, then I would have considered a Meg. __________________ "There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters." DrMike
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12th December 2006, 14:50	#29 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) disadvantages.... some dont like front mounted CL.... And some prefer it above all other designs.... ;-) Dave __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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12th December 2006, 15:17	#30 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,638	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) And some prefer it above all other designs.... ;-) Dave YES!!! :-) and to my opinion, the recovery from a complete flood... com'on guy's, how many times did you have to do that??? (I 1 time in the last 300 dives, because I was testing a new 'O-ring concept' :-) did not work-out that good :-) regards paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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