COPIS v Kiss Classic

decoweenie · 12th December 2006, 06:49

Does Leon sell only the complete COPIS lid only ?

BTW, I have 2 cans and 1 lid so need one more if anyone has an extra unwanted lid.

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 07:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by JoeyG)

I the COPIS the same as the meg? Am looking at purchasing the MEG next year... appreciate your help

everything is the same except the head. the copis has a constant flow and no computer (just PO2 displays).

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 07:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Does Leon sell only the complete COPIS lid only ?

originally No, but now i have heard he might sell just the head. can you call him or do you want me to call for you Phi (i understand the time change issue).
mel

decoweenie · 12th December 2006, 07:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

...do you want me to call for you Phi (i understand the time change issue)

Mel,

If you could the next time you call ISC for something else, it would be great. I have tried to contact Leon in the past, and it was difficult.

No hurry as I just got home, and still haven't had the chance to dive what I got yet.

Thanks...

fredrik · 12th December 2006, 07:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer)

COPIS, COPIS, COPIS, .....

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

Yes! Do you feel alright?

Mark Chase · 12th December 2006, 08:23

Personaly id get the KISS because of the rear munted counterlungs. Every time i see my M8 Janous kitted up in his KISS i am deep with envy of the clear chest area. The KISS also comes with a bailout valve as standard and i here the new ones are vey good indeed. I have decided that i will no longer consider diving without a BOV. So add £500 to the cost of the Meg to get one.

The Big advantage of the Meg is you could simply switch heads to go ECCR. I have to say thats a definate plus point.

Personaly then a KISS + a sherewater HUD and PP02 display

ATB

Mark Chase

decoweenie · 12th December 2006, 08:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

The Big advantage of the Meg is you could simply switch heads to go ECCR.

Same for the CK: going with Shearwater or HH, with a small amount of work connecting the solenoid which isn't a big deal.

pattimegdiver · 12th December 2006, 08:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

Copis is 6214 US i just bought three so i am in the know.

That amount is probably due to Washington sales tax.

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 08:41

Not to confuse thing because I love both units, but the kiss is more user in the field serviceable if you have and issue. If you get a copis and two heads (i.e. 2 copis heads or a copis and apecs head) then it is almost invincible too. The BOV on the kiss is excellent for safety. But the copis like the meg has the high flow ADV which means a proper diluent flush will change the loop gas almost instantaneously and this too is a huge safety feature. Back mounted CLs of the kiss are excellent for a non-clutter front and streamlining. But the OTS of the meg offers all kinds of flood protection, and options for off-board gas additions. In saying that you can with small mods add off board gas to the kiss too. Finally you can also add OTS to the kiss later on, but this will bring the cost up over the copis meg in the end.
Regardless of your choice the Shearwater and Shearwater HUD is available for both units and I highly recommend this upgrade.
Good luck and keep asking those questions.
mel

scubagrunt · 12th December 2006, 08:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by pattimegdiver)

That amount is probably due to Washington sales tax.

nope it is the copis with the DIV (diluent isolator valve), which you would agree is a must with the excellent high flow ADV of the meg.

12th December 2006, 06:49	#11 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Does Leon sell only the complete COPIS lid only ? BTW, I have 2 cans and 1 lid so need one more if anyone has an extra unwanted lid. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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12th December 2006, 07:05	#12 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 430	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by JoeyG) I the COPIS the same as the meg? Am looking at purchasing the MEG next year... appreciate your help everything is the same except the head. the copis has a constant flow and no computer (just PO2 displays). __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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12th December 2006, 07:06	#13 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 430	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Does Leon sell only the complete COPIS lid only ? originally No, but now i have heard he might sell just the head. can you call him or do you want me to call for you Phi (i understand the time change issue). mel __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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12th December 2006, 07:16	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) ...do you want me to call for you Phi (i understand the time change issue) Mel, If you could the next time you call ISC for something else, it would be great. I have tried to contact Leon in the past, and it was difficult. No hurry as I just got home, and still haven't had the chance to dive what I got yet. Thanks... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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12th December 2006, 07:44	#15 (permalink)
fredrik Rekodeko. Sweden Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 184	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer) COPIS, COPIS, COPIS, ..... ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? Yes! Do you feel alright?
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12th December 2006, 08:23	#16 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Personaly id get the KISS because of the rear munted counterlungs. Every time i see my M8 Janous kitted up in his KISS i am deep with envy of the clear chest area. The KISS also comes with a bailout valve as standard and i here the new ones are vey good indeed. I have decided that i will no longer consider diving without a BOV. So add £500 to the cost of the Meg to get one. The Big advantage of the Meg is you could simply switch heads to go ECCR. I have to say thats a definate plus point. Personaly then a KISS + a sherewater HUD and PP02 display ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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12th December 2006, 08:30	#17 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) The Big advantage of the Meg is you could simply switch heads to go ECCR. Same for the CK: going with Shearwater or HH, with a small amount of work connecting the solenoid which isn't a big deal. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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12th December 2006, 08:36	#18 (permalink)
pattimegdiver #1 COPIS Mini Meg Girl Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 307	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) Copis is 6214 US i just bought three so i am in the know. That amount is probably due to Washington sales tax. __________________ Patti Meg Diver Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk
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12th December 2006, 08:41	#19 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 430	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Not to confuse thing because I love both units, but the kiss is more user in the field serviceable if you have and issue. If you get a copis and two heads (i.e. 2 copis heads or a copis and apecs head) then it is almost invincible too. The BOV on the kiss is excellent for safety. But the copis like the meg has the high flow ADV which means a proper diluent flush will change the loop gas almost instantaneously and this too is a huge safety feature. Back mounted CLs of the kiss are excellent for a non-clutter front and streamlining. But the OTS of the meg offers all kinds of flood protection, and options for off-board gas additions. In saying that you can with small mods add off board gas to the kiss too. Finally you can also add OTS to the kiss later on, but this will bring the cost up over the copis meg in the end. Regardless of your choice the Shearwater and Shearwater HUD is available for both units and I highly recommend this upgrade. Good luck and keep asking those questions. mel __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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12th December 2006, 08:43	#20 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 430	Re: COPIS v Kiss Classic Quote: (Originally Posted by pattimegdiver) That amount is probably due to Washington sales tax. nope it is the copis with the DIV (diluent isolator valve), which you would agree is a must with the excellent high flow ADV of the meg. __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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