The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon

scubagrunt

As it stands right now, there are no standards written yet for the COPIS meg. so lets just wait and see before getting too upset about an issue that will likely be addressed. i'm sure leon and the training agencies will take this into account when decideing on training requirements.

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wedivebc

Can't see how much more training it would require since manual operation is part of meg training. Perhaps mCCR training should be the standard even for eCCR owners.

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Dutchy

Yes I know you have a full blown meg but you can only use it after 100 hours of mccr and the additional training module


Nah seriously... training is an issue. With my mod1 training I'm back to recreational limits. I can't see how this is different.

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scubagrunt

Hi Dave,
You would agree that a potential user should know how to flow check the unit, calibrate the displays and HUD correctly, and adjust the flow rate. So i would assume a crossover for a meg certified diver would/should include this. I don't think anyone is saying a eCCR diver is unable to watch the PO2 and run the unit manually (assuming they had good training).
This situation is similar to a classic inspo diver going to a vision unit. They need a bit of guidance to get started.

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decoweenie

Sure, a whole 5-minute worth of "instructions" if I talk really s-l--o---w...

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decoweenie

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To be fair, Mel pointed out that the legal liability in the US is the real reason for all these st**id requirements.

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Dutchy

Take a look at Jetsam manuals they've covered calibration and flow adjustment very comprehensible. I'd expect something similar. What's next? a theoretical exam and a practical exam on flow adjustment plus a dive to finish it off?

I'd like to get my next training from an agency with a good modular concept.
Theory:
a) General Rebreather training covering e.g. Principles/Physics/Chemistry
b) A mod dependent part, covering e.g. gas/deco planning
c) A unit specific part

Hands on:
b) General (e.g. trim)
b) A mod dependent part with e.g. bail-out options.
c) A unit specific part

A x-over would only have to consist of the c blocks (provided one stays at the sme mod). Everything else is just a waste of time and money invested in another Rebreather.

If this were the case them both a Mod 2 CK diver as well as a meg diver would only have to learn the c parts.


Edit: In hindsight this is a wordier form of expressing the same thing I guess

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RonMicjan

Im working with Leon to become the second COPIS Instructor (him being the first, of course) but I wont be a full MEG instructor at that point. There will be crossovers, of course (aforementioned liability reasons), there are some differences (from the apecs meg) for assembly, cal, predive, diagnostics, etc and the new Build course, which unlike the current MEG build course will be available outside of the factory on location.

prior KISS users would have the most leg up on this, but there is still an immense amount of knowledge on the rig itself that needs to be covered, plus the actual diving differences between BMCL and OTS. (ok, not a whole lot, but certainly plumbing and bailout options) Bailout would be the most visible difference, KISS is BOV and MEG is openloop/dil flush.

I, of course cannot speak for ISC, but I would expect that once one has passed the COPIS course, the next step would be a baby one, maybe best combined with a normoxic course to make it worth hiring an instructor.

The 6100 is for a complete unit, ready to dive. no bc (I think)

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wedivebc

Yes I have ~100 hrs mCCR but like Phi mentioned Leon gave me about 5 minutes of "here's how to calibrate..." and away I go. I don't see this being a major issue. I thing the copis will be a good entry level breather for those who will eventually invest in Apeks or some other eCCR unit down the road.

Yes I agree. Aside from standard meg training this module should still take very little time. Ron mentioned combining eCCR upgrade with say normoxic trimix and that seems like a good training upgrade option. What do people do who say purchase a hammerhead for their meg or whatever? They read up on it then dive it do they not?

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