The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon

louisrankin · 8th August 2006, 08:29

Ron,

Do you need training if you are kiss certified?

Louis

scubagrunt · 8th August 2006, 08:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin)

Ron,

Do you need training if you are kiss certified?

Louis

Yes. The meg is very different than the kiss in many aspects. Leon is working on the standards. I'm sure there will be a crossover course like there is with all the other CCRs.
mel

denzel · 8th August 2006, 08:46

Great write up, thanks.
The quoted price of 6100$US is that for the complete version, no.1, incl tanks BP etc, or for the 2 or 3 version?

Denz.

decoweenie · 8th August 2006, 08:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

Yes. The meg is very different than the kiss in many aspects. Leon is working on the standards. I'm sure there will be a crossover course like there is with all the other CCRs.
mel

Does this mean that KISS instructors (such as yourself) will also need a cross-over course to teach it as well ?

scubagrunt · 8th August 2006, 09:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Does this mean that KISS instructors (such as yourself) will also need a cross-over course to teach it as well ?

I am not in the loop (haha no pun intended) as to how Leon will cross over instructors. But i would guess you would have to be a meg instructor with a "COPIS" endorsment to teach the COPIS.

scubagrunt · 8th August 2006, 09:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel)

Great write up, thanks.
The quoted price of 6100$US is that for the complete version, no.1, incl tanks BP etc, or for the 2 or 3 version?

Denz.

My understanding is the $6100. is for version one the full meal deal, tanks BP all in. smoking deal.

decoweenie · 8th August 2006, 11:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

...But i would guess you would have to be a meg instructor with a "COPIS" endorsment to teach the COPIS.

Could one become a COPIS instructor first, then get the MEG eCCR endorsement later ?

Joking aside, this presents an interesting issue... Take Europe for example, there are a couple (?) of Meg instructors whom I don't think have any experience with mCCR.

Yes, run manual control over the set-point all year long still doesn't qualify one as an experienced KISS-type instructor IMHO...

Now, for example, if a KISS instructor wants to dive a COPIS, s/he would have to take a x-over course from someone who has no, or little, experience with mCCR operation ?

**Steve** · 8th August 2006, 11:14

Perth is lovely year round

decoweenie · 8th August 2006, 11:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

Perth is lovely year round

If my job ever move me to Perth (BTW, 1 of top 10 cities in the world for me), I will take you up on it, buddy...

Dutchy · 8th August 2006, 13:08

Hmmmm training could be a real showstopper here.

If flying the unit manual is part of the curent meg training whats the reason for a separate training? (apart from not being proficient yet as one hardly ever does it)

And the other way around if I have to cough up the money for a recreational meg training (so no advance methods to stay on the loop longer) and later do the full program because well the recreational program was only a minor precursor.... then much of the advantage of the COPIS being a growth path for the real stuff just evaporates....

Iow treat Rebreather divers seriously and don't make them do the full program at full price or it aint worth the intermediate step.

8th August 2006, 08:29	#11 (permalink)
louisrankin Póg mo thóin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 301	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Ron, Do you need training if you are kiss certified? Louis
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8th August 2006, 08:44	#12 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 427	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin) Ron, Do you need training if you are kiss certified? Louis Yes. The meg is very different than the kiss in many aspects. Leon is working on the standards. I'm sure there will be a crossover course like there is with all the other CCRs. mel __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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8th August 2006, 08:46	#13 (permalink)
denzel Holiday diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth! Posts: 358	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Great write up, thanks. The quoted price of 6100$US is that for the complete version, no.1, incl tanks BP etc, or for the 2 or 3 version? Denz. __________________ My deepest so far, 558.50 mtr, my rig a LF90D...
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8th August 2006, 08:50	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) Yes. The meg is very different than the kiss in many aspects. Leon is working on the standards. I'm sure there will be a crossover course like there is with all the other CCRs. mel Does this mean that KISS instructors (such as yourself) will also need a cross-over course to teach it as well ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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8th August 2006, 09:41	#15 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 427	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Does this mean that KISS instructors (such as yourself) will also need a cross-over course to teach it as well ? I am not in the loop (haha no pun intended) as to how Leon will cross over instructors. But i would guess you would have to be a meg instructor with a "COPIS" endorsment to teach the COPIS. __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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8th August 2006, 09:44	#16 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 427	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel) Great write up, thanks. The quoted price of 6100$US is that for the complete version, no.1, incl tanks BP etc, or for the 2 or 3 version? Denz. My understanding is the $6100. is for version one the full meal deal, tanks BP all in. smoking deal. __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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8th August 2006, 11:08	#17 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) ...But i would guess you would have to be a meg instructor with a "COPIS" endorsment to teach the COPIS. Could one become a COPIS instructor first, then get the MEG eCCR endorsement later ? Joking aside, this presents an interesting issue... Take Europe for example, there are a couple (?) of Meg instructors whom I don't think have any experience with mCCR. Yes, run manual control over the set-point all year long still doesn't qualify one as an experienced KISS-type instructor IMHO... Now, for example, if a KISS instructor wants to dive a COPIS, s/he would have to take a x-over course from someone who has no, or little, experience with mCCR operation ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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8th August 2006, 11:14	#18 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,100	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Perth is lovely year round __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types.
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8th August 2006, 11:22	#19 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) Perth is lovely year round If my job ever move me to Perth (BTW, 1 of top 10 cities in the world for me), I will take you up on it, buddy... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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8th August 2006, 13:08	#20 (permalink)
Dutchy SK#007 Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 729	Re: The COPIS (Ko-pes) Megalodon Hmmmm training could be a real showstopper here. If flying the unit manual is part of the curent meg training whats the reason for a separate training? (apart from not being proficient yet as one hardly ever does it) And the other way around if I have to cough up the money for a recreational meg training (so no advance methods to stay on the loop longer) and later do the full program because well the recreational program was only a minor precursor.... then much of the advantage of the COPIS being a growth path for the real stuff just evaporates.... Iow treat Rebreather divers seriously and don't make them do the full program at full price or it aint worth the intermediate step. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. = SK #007
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