Cooperhoses on Meg

Woz · 11th September 2006, 12:58

I still stand by the fact that they are smooth bore polyurethane duct hose, pretty standard for use in industrial applications, with a nylon cover and the end of the spiral spring picked out at each end. The connector is a larger copy of the ones used on every bot of AP valves stuff with the split collar with the thread on the outside, albeit machined from stainless. I've looked at the Boris twice for this now and I still come to the same conclusion.

iain-hsm · 11th September 2006, 13:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

I still stand by the fact that they are smooth bore polyurethane duct hose, pretty standard for use in industrial applications, with a nylon cover and the end of the spiral spring picked out at each end. The connector is a larger copy of the ones used on every bot of AP valves stuff with the split collar with the thread on the outside, albeit machined from stainless. I've looked at the Boris twice for this now and I still come to the same conclusion.

What he says!! iain

koputai · 11th September 2006, 13:44

Not having seen them in the flesh, how can they be a constant smooth diameter on the inside, and corrugated on the outside? They must be made up of several layers, the inner of which is VERY flexible?

Cheers,
Jason.
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Woz · 11th September 2006, 14:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

Not having seen them in the fleash, how can they be a constant smooth diameter on the inside, and corrugated on the outside? They must be made up of several layers, the inner of which is VERY flexible?

CHeers,
Jason.
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Yes, is the short answer. The inner layer is PU which when thin is about as flaxible as you can get. Then you have the spiral which is embedded in the outer.

These are used all over industry for smooth bore delivery hose for its abrasion resistance and flexibility. Hang on- I'll find a link for you... ooo look RS Components sell it.

Aha and a quick search for Expandable Kevlar sleeving gets me the cover too:
Kevlar Expandable Braided Sleeving

koputai · 11th September 2006, 14:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

Yes, is the short answer. The inner layer is PU which when thin is about as flaxible as you can get. Then you have the spiral which is embedded in the outer.

These are used all over industry for smooth bore delivery hose for its abrasion resistance and flexibility. Hang on- I'll find a link for you... ooo look RS Components sell it.

Aha and a quick search for Expandable Kevlar sleeving gets me the cover too:
Kevlar Expandable Braided Sleeving

OK, so as neither of those products looks remotely like the hoses we're talking about, are you saying that the inner of the Cooper/RE Darling hoses is just like the 63mm ID stuff from RS, and the green fabricky bit we can see on the outside is a separate cover? Are they then bonded together with the appropriate end cuff of black rubber?

Jason.

Woz · 11th September 2006, 14:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

OK, so as neither of those products looks remotely like the hoses we're talking about, are you saying that the inner of the Cooper/RE Darling hoses is just like the 63mm ID stuff from RS, and the green fabricky bit we can see on the outside is a separate cover? Are they then bonded together with the appropriate end cuff of black rubber?

Jason.

It looks suspiciously like it, I would say. Or you could do a great impression of one, anyway.
I've got some PU hose here and it's just like the Boris stuff, it really is.

iain-hsm · 11th September 2006, 15:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

OK, so as neither of those products looks remotely like the hoses we're talking about, are you saying that the inner of the Cooper/RE Darling hoses is just like the 63mm ID stuff from RS, and the green fabricky bit we can see on the outside is a separate cover? Are they then bonded together with the appropriate end cuff of black rubber?
Jason.

Look at the inner hose if it has a steel earthing or grounding wire running up it. This is the give away that it is a standard industrial PU process hose. Cost is around £10/mtr.
The single ground wire is to earth high flow dry powders from generating static build up in industrial process.

So unless you intend the diver to breathe like a train and electrolyze the amalgam in his teeth I kind of question the necessity for the steel single wire strand if the hose was "specifically" designed for diving.

Woz is quite correct on the OroB version for the inner hose. Now to “process” the hose for “diving” the rubber cuff ends and the bonded outer braid are added on by the hose processor. Woz the RS example of your over braid is incorrect as these are sleeves not bonded cover. This “process” of cuff and braid bonding is the cost adder on these hoses bonding to a PU former in a uniform manner without delaminating is expensive.
For those technically minded the "process" and the term "Pimp my ride" are the same. iain

Woz · 11th September 2006, 16:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm)

Look at the inner hose if it has a steel earthing or grounding wire running up it. This is the give away that it is a standard industrial PU process hose. Cost is around £10/mtr.
The single ground wire is to earth high flow dry powders from generating static build up in industrial process.

So unless you intend the diver to breathe like a train and electrolyze the amalgam in his teeth I kind of question the necessity for the steel single wire strand if the hose was "specifically" designed for diving.

Woz is quite correct on the OroB version for the inner hose. Now to “process” the hose for “diving” the rubber cuff ends and the bonded outer braid are added on by the hose processor. Woz the RS example of your over braid is incorrect as these are sleeves not bonded cover. This “process” of cuff and braid bonding is the cost adder on these hoses bonding to a PU former in a uniform manner without delaminating is expensive.
For those technically minded the "process" and the term "Pimp my ride" are the same. iain

That would make sense as the hose and cover will be cheap but the bonding would be the expensive bit.

JonnyB · 11th September 2006, 20:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

I know that Jonny Bekkestad on this forum has e-mailed the company with no answer....I think a call is in place (why does people in the diveindustry never answer mail?)
If we can get togeather and order a buch of hoses they might be more interested on helping us out?
/Rodge

I have emailed them and called them and called and called and everytime they tell me they will get back to me...

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sulac)

I wrote them yesterday, I think they are in germany and I am in Denmark, I could try too call.

That is not them, the manufacturer is in the states

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

They might be sold from Germany but I think they are made in the US..
Does anyone know?

/Rodge

I have their email and phone number

/Jonny

SteveL · 12th September 2006, 12:21

Jas,

I have ordered 2 from the supplier in the US for the 15.5 so you can have a look up close and personal. I will let you know when they arrive - should be the end of this week.

SteveL

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Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 186	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg I still stand by the fact that they are smooth bore polyurethane duct hose, pretty standard for use in industrial applications, with a nylon cover and the end of the spiral spring picked out at each end. The connector is a larger copy of the ones used on every bot of AP valves stuff with the split collar with the thread on the outside, albeit machined from stainless. I've looked at the Boris twice for this now and I still come to the same conclusion. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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11th September 2006, 13:34	#22 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 347	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) I still stand by the fact that they are smooth bore polyurethane duct hose, pretty standard for use in industrial applications, with a nylon cover and the end of the spiral spring picked out at each end. The connector is a larger copy of the ones used on every bot of AP valves stuff with the split collar with the thread on the outside, albeit machined from stainless. I've looked at the Boris twice for this now and I still come to the same conclusion. What he says!! iain
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11th September 2006, 13:44	#23 (permalink)
koputai Subsea Systems Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 350	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Not having seen them in the flesh, how can they be a constant smooth diameter on the inside, and corrugated on the outside? They must be made up of several layers, the inner of which is VERY flexible? Cheers, Jason. Subsea Systems - Rebreather Solutions Last edited by koputai : 11th September 2006 at 13:48. Reason: Spooling
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11th September 2006, 14:11	#24 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 186	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) Not having seen them in the fleash, how can they be a constant smooth diameter on the inside, and corrugated on the outside? They must be made up of several layers, the inner of which is VERY flexible? CHeers, Jason. Subsea Systems Main Page Yes, is the short answer. The inner layer is PU which when thin is about as flaxible as you can get. Then you have the spiral which is embedded in the outer. These are used all over industry for smooth bore delivery hose for its abrasion resistance and flexibility. Hang on- I'll find a link for you... ooo look RS Components sell it. Aha and a quick search for Expandable Kevlar sleeving gets me the cover too: Kevlar Expandable Braided Sleeving __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk Last edited by Woz : 11th September 2006 at 14:26.
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11th September 2006, 14:41	#25 (permalink)
koputai Subsea Systems Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 350	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) Yes, is the short answer. The inner layer is PU which when thin is about as flaxible as you can get. Then you have the spiral which is embedded in the outer. These are used all over industry for smooth bore delivery hose for its abrasion resistance and flexibility. Hang on- I'll find a link for you... ooo look RS Components sell it. Aha and a quick search for Expandable Kevlar sleeving gets me the cover too: Kevlar Expandable Braided Sleeving OK, so as neither of those products looks remotely like the hoses we're talking about, are you saying that the inner of the Cooper/RE Darling hoses is just like the 63mm ID stuff from RS, and the green fabricky bit we can see on the outside is a separate cover? Are they then bonded together with the appropriate end cuff of black rubber? Jason.
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11th September 2006, 14:57	#26 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 186	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) OK, so as neither of those products looks remotely like the hoses we're talking about, are you saying that the inner of the Cooper/RE Darling hoses is just like the 63mm ID stuff from RS, and the green fabricky bit we can see on the outside is a separate cover? Are they then bonded together with the appropriate end cuff of black rubber? Jason. It looks suspiciously like it, I would say. Or you could do a great impression of one, anyway. I've got some PU hose here and it's just like the Boris stuff, it really is. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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11th September 2006, 15:50	#27 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 347	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) OK, so as neither of those products looks remotely like the hoses we're talking about, are you saying that the inner of the Cooper/RE Darling hoses is just like the 63mm ID stuff from RS, and the green fabricky bit we can see on the outside is a separate cover? Are they then bonded together with the appropriate end cuff of black rubber? Jason. Look at the inner hose if it has a steel earthing or grounding wire running up it. This is the give away that it is a standard industrial PU process hose. Cost is around £10/mtr. The single ground wire is to earth high flow dry powders from generating static build up in industrial process. So unless you intend the diver to breathe like a train and electrolyze the amalgam in his teeth I kind of question the necessity for the steel single wire strand if the hose was "specifically" designed for diving. Woz is quite correct on the OroB version for the inner hose. Now to “process” the hose for “diving” the rubber cuff ends and the bonded outer braid are added on by the hose processor. Woz the RS example of your over braid is incorrect as these are sleeves not bonded cover. This “process” of cuff and braid bonding is the cost adder on these hoses bonding to a PU former in a uniform manner without delaminating is expensive. For those technically minded the "process" and the term "Pimp my ride" are the same. iain Last edited by iain-hsm : 11th September 2006 at 15:55.
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11th September 2006, 16:06	#28 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 186	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm) Look at the inner hose if it has a steel earthing or grounding wire running up it. This is the give away that it is a standard industrial PU process hose. Cost is around £10/mtr. The single ground wire is to earth high flow dry powders from generating static build up in industrial process. So unless you intend the diver to breathe like a train and electrolyze the amalgam in his teeth I kind of question the necessity for the steel single wire strand if the hose was "specifically" designed for diving. Woz is quite correct on the OroB version for the inner hose. Now to “process” the hose for “diving” the rubber cuff ends and the bonded outer braid are added on by the hose processor. Woz the RS example of your over braid is incorrect as these are sleeves not bonded cover. This “process” of cuff and braid bonding is the cost adder on these hoses bonding to a PU former in a uniform manner without delaminating is expensive. For those technically minded the "process" and the term "Pimp my ride" are the same. iain That would make sense as the hose and cover will be cheap but the bonding would be the expensive bit. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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11th September 2006, 20:01	#29 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 991	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) I know that Jonny Bekkestad on this forum has e-mailed the company with no answer....I think a call is in place (why does people in the diveindustry never answer mail?) If we can get togeather and order a buch of hoses they might be more interested on helping us out? /Rodge I have emailed them and called them and called and called and everytime they tell me they will get back to me... Quote: (Originally Posted by Sulac) I wrote them yesterday, I think they are in germany and I am in Denmark, I could try too call. That is not them, the manufacturer is in the states Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) They might be sold from Germany but I think they are made in the US.. Does anyone know? /Rodge I have their email and phone number /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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SteveL RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 224	Re: Cooperhoses on Meg Jas, I have ordered 2 from the supplier in the US for the 15.5 so you can have a look up close and personal. I will let you know when they arrive - should be the end of this week. SteveL
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