Meg question

***schford*** · 16th April 2006, 18:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Morg_NZ)

Ok then,
Here's another angle on the question and I hope that someone here has an answer or two

Please note, these are real questions and aren't ment to wind people up

1/ As the meg has a better build quality why is it rated to less of a depth than the inspo?? I've heard of people going to 180+ meters on inspos but not on the Meg. ??
2/ It's been asked before, BUT...... is custom divers in the uk the dealer or not?? Some say yes...... others no???? WTF is going on with UK sales

What do you mean by rated? AP sure don't rate an inspy to 180 ms and CE testing doesn't certify to it!

And I have a Meg and love it - but build quality is such a subjective thing - I am sure there are hundreds of satisifed Inspy owners who would rave about their build quality...

There are no dealers in Europe for the Meg as you can not sell non CE approved equipment.

Actually I was just chewing the fat about this lunchtime with Leon over a BBQ.....the position will be officially cleared when the Meg has CE approval - in the mean time you can order via your instructor....

JonnyB · 16th April 2006, 19:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Morg_NZ)

Ok then,
Here's another angle on the question and I hope that someone here has an answer or two

Please note, these are real questions and aren't ment to wind people up

1/ As the meg has a better build quality why is it rated to less of a depth than the inspo?? I've heard of people going to 180+ meters on inspos but not on the Meg. ??
2/ It's been asked before, BUT...... is custom divers in the uk the dealer or not?? Some say yes...... others no???? WTF is going on with UK sales

1. You are wrong, the inspo is rated at 100m or 330 feet and the meg is rated on 183m or 600 feet.

2. First of all before CD can sell any unit in the UK or Europe, the Meg needs to get its CE certificate. And i believe this is what is delaying the whole process as Leon might want to get the APECS 3 certified at the same time. To save on the cost.

/Jonny

Gibbon · 16th April 2006, 23:41

I was told that the crush depth for the handsets and battery compartments is 215m and that if you want to go deeper all you have to do is fill the battery compartments and handsets with mineral oil.

I wont be doing that just yet - but I know a man who has

RonMicjan · 17th April 2006, 01:38

The actual depth Mark and Tom dived to was 536 fsw. The meg is rated to 600fsw and will go deeper with mineral oil fills of the handset and battery boxes. Whether the diver is capable remains to be seen. Im bugging leon to play with heliox with me this summer, could be fun! Its been pretty busy at the meg hatchery lately, lots of cool stuff going on.

divetheworld · 17th April 2006, 09:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

1. You are wrong, the inspo is rated at 100m or 330 feet and the meg is rated on 183m or 600 feet.

2. First of all before CD can sell any unit in the UK or Europe, the Meg needs to get its CE certificate. And i believe this is what is delaying the whole process as Leon might want to get the APECS 3 certified at the same time. To save on the cost.

/Jonny

So are you matey!

The CE certificate for the Inspo is for air to 50m and He to 100m. The rating is (unofficially stated) 160m which is the limit for the buzzer housing which is 1atm. The buzzer is known to fold at 180+.

Removing the buzzer or modifying it allows the entire unit to be ambient.

Then its just up to your genes. Didnt Dave Shaw get a buzzer-less one of these to 270m?

Anyway, mute point coz I would be shitting bricks when i thought about adequate dwell time on the kitty litter in either of these machines at that sort of pressure.

Brent.

JonnyB · 17th April 2006, 09:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

So are you matey!

The CE certificate for the Inspo is for air to 50m and He to 100m. The rating is (unofficially stated) 160m which is the limit for the buzzer housing which is 1atm. The buzzer is known to fold at 180+.

Removing the buzzer or modifying it allows the entire unit to be ambient.

Then its just up to your genes. Didnt Dave Shaw get a buzzer-less one of these to 270m?

Anyway, mute point coz I would be shitting bricks when i thought about adequate dwell time on the kitty litter in either of these machines at that sort of pressure.

Brent.

Hi Brent, not at all,
the only reason i did not mention the air as diluent limitation is because of the thread talk was on deeper divers. And in cause you remove the buzzer you will invalidate warranty by APD.
Factory limitation is 50m on Air and 100m on Trimix/and or heliox as diluent.

/Jonny

divetheworld · 17th April 2006, 10:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

Factory limitation is 50m on Air and 100m on Trimix/and or heliox as diluent.

/Jonny

Which means nothing. I though we were talking actual limits. ho hum.

I'll leave you guys to your measuring sticks.

JonnyB · 17th April 2006, 10:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

Which means nothing. I though we were talking actual limits. ho hum.

I'll leave you guys to your measuring sticks.

I agree with you there...
But still the question was talking about rating not limits, and the only real rating you can get is the factory recommendation. Agree?

/Jonny

divetheworld · 17th April 2006, 10:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

I agree with you there...
But still the question was talking about rating not limits, and the only real rating you can get is the factory recommendation. Agree?

/Jonny

Then that is a subjective statement. My CCR dolphin was only capable of 40m by that rational but it has been to more than double that.
I suppose the factory 'rating' is a good guide until you understand the construction and have experience of the undefined limits. So yes, I would agree.

Then it is 160m.

From the manual.

Quote: (Originally Posted by APD manual)

Deeper than 160m: Structural integrity of components unknown – the air cavity within the buzzer will implode eventually, and other components may fail.

Section 15, technical data.

Brent.

RonMicjan · 19th April 2006, 14:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

Then its just up to your genes. Didnt Dave Shaw get a buzzer-less one of these to 270m?

Brent.

Dave dived a MK-15 loop using an inspiration DSV.

16th April 2006, 18:42	#11 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,559	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by Morg_NZ) Ok then, Here's another angle on the question and I hope that someone here has an answer or two Please note, these are real questions and aren't ment to wind people up 1/ As the meg has a better build quality why is it rated to less of a depth than the inspo?? I've heard of people going to 180+ meters on inspos but not on the Meg. ?? 2/ It's been asked before, BUT...... is custom divers in the uk the dealer or not?? Some say yes...... others no???? WTF is going on with UK sales What do you mean by rated? AP sure don't rate an inspy to 180 ms and CE testing doesn't certify to it! And I have a Meg and love it - but build quality is such a subjective thing - I am sure there are hundreds of satisifed Inspy owners who would rave about their build quality... There are no dealers in Europe for the Meg as you can not sell non CE approved equipment. Actually I was just chewing the fat about this lunchtime with Leon over a BBQ.....the position will be officially cleared when the Meg has CE approval - in the mean time you can order via your instructor.... __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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16th April 2006, 19:02	#12 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 970	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by Morg_NZ) Ok then, Here's another angle on the question and I hope that someone here has an answer or two Please note, these are real questions and aren't ment to wind people up 1/ As the meg has a better build quality why is it rated to less of a depth than the inspo?? I've heard of people going to 180+ meters on inspos but not on the Meg. ?? 2/ It's been asked before, BUT...... is custom divers in the uk the dealer or not?? Some say yes...... others no???? WTF is going on with UK sales 1. You are wrong, the inspo is rated at 100m or 330 feet and the meg is rated on 183m or 600 feet. 2. First of all before CD can sell any unit in the UK or Europe, the Meg needs to get its CE certificate. And i believe this is what is delaying the whole process as Leon might want to get the APECS 3 certified at the same time. To save on the cost. /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com Last edited by JonnyB : 17th April 2006 at 05:47.
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16th April 2006, 23:41	#13 (permalink)
Gibbon Southern Monkey Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East Devon Posts: 224	Re: Meg question I was told that the crush depth for the handsets and battery compartments is 215m and that if you want to go deeper all you have to do is fill the battery compartments and handsets with mineral oil. I wont be doing that just yet - but I know a man who has
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17th April 2006, 01:38	#14 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,100	Re: Meg question The actual depth Mark and Tom dived to was 536 fsw. The meg is rated to 600fsw and will go deeper with mineral oil fills of the handset and battery boxes. Whether the diver is capable remains to be seen. Im bugging leon to play with heliox with me this summer, could be fun! Its been pretty busy at the meg hatchery lately, lots of cool stuff going on. __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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17th April 2006, 09:28	#15 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) 1. You are wrong, the inspo is rated at 100m or 330 feet and the meg is rated on 183m or 600 feet. 2. First of all before CD can sell any unit in the UK or Europe, the Meg needs to get its CE certificate. And i believe this is what is delaying the whole process as Leon might want to get the APECS 3 certified at the same time. To save on the cost. /Jonny So are you matey! The CE certificate for the Inspo is for air to 50m and He to 100m. The rating is (unofficially stated) 160m which is the limit for the buzzer housing which is 1atm. The buzzer is known to fold at 180+. Removing the buzzer or modifying it allows the entire unit to be ambient. Then its just up to your genes. Didnt Dave Shaw get a buzzer-less one of these to 270m? Anyway, mute point coz I would be shitting bricks when i thought about adequate dwell time on the kitty litter in either of these machines at that sort of pressure. Brent. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 17th April 2006 at 09:37.
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17th April 2006, 09:48	#16 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 970	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) So are you matey! The CE certificate for the Inspo is for air to 50m and He to 100m. The rating is (unofficially stated) 160m which is the limit for the buzzer housing which is 1atm. The buzzer is known to fold at 180+. Removing the buzzer or modifying it allows the entire unit to be ambient. Then its just up to your genes. Didnt Dave Shaw get a buzzer-less one of these to 270m? Anyway, mute point coz I would be shitting bricks when i thought about adequate dwell time on the kitty litter in either of these machines at that sort of pressure. Brent. Hi Brent, not at all, the only reason i did not mention the air as diluent limitation is because of the thread talk was on deeper divers. And in cause you remove the buzzer you will invalidate warranty by APD. Factory limitation is 50m on Air and 100m on Trimix/and or heliox as diluent. /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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17th April 2006, 10:11	#17 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) Factory limitation is 50m on Air and 100m on Trimix/and or heliox as diluent. /Jonny Which means nothing. I though we were talking actual limits. ho hum. I'll leave you guys to your measuring sticks. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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17th April 2006, 10:21	#18 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 970	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) Which means nothing. I though we were talking actual limits. ho hum. I'll leave you guys to your measuring sticks. I agree with you there... But still the question was talking about rating not limits, and the only real rating you can get is the factory recommendation. Agree? /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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17th April 2006, 10:34	#19 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: Meg question Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) I agree with you there... But still the question was talking about rating not limits, and the only real rating you can get is the factory recommendation. Agree? /Jonny Then that is a subjective statement. My CCR dolphin was only capable of 40m by that rational but it has been to more than double that. I suppose the factory 'rating' is a good guide until you understand the construction and have experience of the undefined limits. So yes, I would agree. Then it is 160m. From the manual. Quote: (Originally Posted by APD manual) Deeper than 160m: Structural integrity of components unknown – the air cavity within the buzzer will implode eventually, and other components may fail. Section 15, technical data. Brent. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 17th April 2006 at 10:44.
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