Shearwater Electronics

***caveseeker7*** · 20th March 2005, 20:18

I just downloaded the Shearwater Electronics (KISS) manual and have yet to read it.
For those of you with Shearwater deco electronics in their Megs, I have a few questions:

How are they implemented?
- Do they also control the setpoint as with the KISS module?
- Do they use the stock ISC primary, modified ISC primary or the larger metal box of the KISS?
(a picture would be nice

)

How does the algorithm compare to either VR3 or Explorer if you use those?

If you use an independent cell-integrated back-upcomputer, how well do they keep the setpoint?

Pelagian · 20th March 2005, 21:08

Hey Stefan

I asked Leon about the new head. He said the primary controller will have the ame handset as the current APECS 2 electronics with the addition of wet switches.

There will be no secondary handset, just the HUD.

The orifice that the secondary hand set used to occupy will still be in the lid with a plug.

This leaves room for the possible retrofit of a 4th cell hook up for VR-3 or HS-Explorere

My buddy Nat dives an Inspo, with on board VR-3.

He sais once you get the calibration sequence on it down, it is almost dead on the same as the contollers.

The Cal sequence can be a but tricky and everyone seems to have slightly different ways of acheiving it.

Cheers

***schford*** · 20th March 2005, 21:20

Here is a picture of Dave - you can see new electronics on his wrist....

More piccies when i pick mine up Friday and get back!

Stuart

**trob09** · 20th March 2005, 22:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pelagian)

Hey Stefan

I asked Leon about the new head. He said the primary controller will have the ame handset as the current APECS 2 electronics with the addition of wet switches.

There will be no secondary handset, just the HUD.

The orifice that the secondary hand set used to occupy will still be in the lid with a plug.

This leaves room for the possible retrofit of a 4th cell hook up for VR-3 or HS-Explorere

My buddy Nat dives an Inspo, with on board VR-3.

He sais once you get the calibration sequence on it down, it is almost dead on the same as the contollers.

The Cal sequence can be a but tricky and everyone seems to have slightly different ways of acheiving it.

Cheers

What he said. retrofitting the meg for a 4th cell/VR3 or HS explorer requires using a T or Y for the 4th cell...

Tim

decoweenie · 21st March 2005, 12:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

How does the algorithm compare to either VR3 or Explorer if you use those?

If you use an independent cell-integrated back-upcomputer, how well do they keep the setpoint?

I know that you are asking the Meg divers, but since I am 1 of 2 test divers for the KISS-Shearwater, I will volunteer some information as well...

I am EXTEMELY happy with the software!

The set-point was kept quite nice eventhough the KISS is notoriously difficult unit for ECCR to maintain set-point. Some feed-backs were given to Bruce so the next version should be even better.

But the important part (for me personally) was how close the deco profile was to the tables...

Since we dive practically the same wrecks weeks in and weeks out, I know the deco profiles very well. And the ShearW was able to match it to the minute on the few trimix dives I had with it.

The drawback of the system is the bulk/weight of the KISS controller since everything was inside, plus the housing was made with a very heavy material.

Bruce is working on repackaging the set-up and I hope he will have time to offer something for the Sport-KISS soon since it would be such an easy adaptation/connection.

***caveseeker7*** · 21st March 2005, 16:54

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

Phi, if and when you get an electronic controller for the SportKiss, that would be a nice article ... maybe in combination with your experiences with the HH for the Classic KISS. Probably worth waiting for a production or pre- producion unit though, something as close as possible to the final product divers will be able to purchase.

decoweenie · 21st March 2005, 18:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Phi, if and when you get an electronic controller for the SportKiss, that would be a nice article ... maybe in combination with your experiences with the HH for the Classic KISS.

No problem, I will try to write something for the Shearwater-Sport-KISS whenever Bruce is ready, but I believe he is quite busy with the Meg electronic stuffs (Damn Meg units

get in the way)

I won't be able to write anything for the HH since I am not involved with that project anymore for a couple of reasons: 1) I don't have a Classic-KISS anymore and 2) my HH unit didn't work.

canuckdiver · 21st March 2005, 20:06

something the size of the DIVA handset would be ideal, even if it had a seperate "black box" with the solenoids and such in it.

bgpartri · 3rd April 2005, 02:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

No problem, I will try to write something for the Shearwater-Sport-KISS whenever Bruce is ready, but I believe he is quite busy with the Meg electronic stuffs (Damn Meg units

get in the way)

The Meg work isn't really holding me up. There are just a lot of steps to get a new product out. The boards are done.

But I'm also hard at work on a small feature realease for the Meg. Automatic setpoint switching seems to be a popular feature....

ROB DAVIE · 3rd April 2005, 02:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri)

The Meg work isn't really holding me up. There are just a lot of steps to get a new product out. The boards are done.

But I'm also hard at work on a small feature realease for the Meg. Automatic setpoint switching seems to be a popular feature....

Bruce,

Welcome aboard Stuart's creation, the best re-breather "nest" in the world for ALL types of re-breather creatures!!

Rob Davie

20th March 2005, 20:18	#1 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Shearwater Electronics I just downloaded the Shearwater Electronics (KISS) manual and have yet to read it. For those of you with Shearwater deco electronics in their Megs, I have a few questions: How are they implemented? - Do they also control the setpoint as with the KISS module? - Do they use the stock ISC primary, modified ISC primary or the larger metal box of the KISS? (a picture would be nice ) How does the algorithm compare to either VR3 or Explorer if you use those? If you use an independent cell-integrated back-upcomputer, how well do they keep the setpoint? __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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20th March 2005, 21:08	#2 (permalink)
Pelagian Multi-Circuit Meg Monkey! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Optima Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 275	Hey Stefan I asked Leon about the new head. He said the primary controller will have the ame handset as the current APECS 2 electronics with the addition of wet switches. There will be no secondary handset, just the HUD. The orifice that the secondary hand set used to occupy will still be in the lid with a plug. This leaves room for the possible retrofit of a 4th cell hook up for VR-3 or HS-Explorere My buddy Nat dives an Inspo, with on board VR-3. He sais once you get the calibration sequence on it down, it is almost dead on the same as the contollers. The Cal sequence can be a but tricky and everyone seems to have slightly different ways of acheiving it. Cheers __________________ 'Because... I was Inverted!'
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20th March 2005, 21:20	#3 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,662	Here is a picture of Dave - you can see new electronics on his wrist.... More piccies when i pick mine up Friday and get back! Stuart
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20th March 2005, 22:02	#4 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 686	Quote: (Originally Posted by Pelagian) Hey Stefan I asked Leon about the new head. He said the primary controller will have the ame handset as the current APECS 2 electronics with the addition of wet switches. There will be no secondary handset, just the HUD. The orifice that the secondary hand set used to occupy will still be in the lid with a plug. This leaves room for the possible retrofit of a 4th cell hook up for VR-3 or HS-Explorere My buddy Nat dives an Inspo, with on board VR-3. He sais once you get the calibration sequence on it down, it is almost dead on the same as the contollers. The Cal sequence can be a but tricky and everyone seems to have slightly different ways of acheiving it. Cheers What he said. retrofitting the meg for a 4th cell/VR3 or HS explorer requires using a T or Y for the 4th cell... Tim
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21st March 2005, 12:38	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) How does the algorithm compare to either VR3 or Explorer if you use those? If you use an independent cell-integrated back-upcomputer, how well do they keep the setpoint? I know that you are asking the Meg divers, but since I am 1 of 2 test divers for the KISS-Shearwater, I will volunteer some information as well... I am EXTEMELY happy with the software! The set-point was kept quite nice eventhough the KISS is notoriously difficult unit for ECCR to maintain set-point. Some feed-backs were given to Bruce so the next version should be even better. But the important part (for me personally) was how close the deco profile was to the tables... Since we dive practically the same wrecks weeks in and weeks out, I know the deco profiles very well. And the ShearW was able to match it to the minute on the few trimix dives I had with it. The drawback of the system is the bulk/weight of the KISS controller since everything was inside, plus the housing was made with a very heavy material. Bruce is working on repackaging the set-up and I hope he will have time to offer something for the Sport-KISS soon since it would be such an easy adaptation/connection.
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21st March 2005, 16:54	#6 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Phi, if and when you get an electronic controller for the SportKiss, that would be a nice article ... maybe in combination with your experiences with the HH for the Classic KISS. Probably worth waiting for a production or pre- producion unit though, something as close as possible to the final product divers will be able to purchase. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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21st March 2005, 18:45	#7 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Phi, if and when you get an electronic controller for the SportKiss, that would be a nice article ... maybe in combination with your experiences with the HH for the Classic KISS. No problem, I will try to write something for the Shearwater-Sport-KISS whenever Bruce is ready, but I believe he is quite busy with the Meg electronic stuffs (Damn Meg units get in the way) I won't be able to write anything for the HH since I am not involved with that project anymore for a couple of reasons: 1) I don't have a Classic-KISS anymore and 2) my HH unit didn't work.
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21st March 2005, 20:06	#8 (permalink)
canuckdiver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: trenton, ontario, canada Posts: 39	something the size of the DIVA handset would be ideal, even if it had a seperate "black box" with the solenoids and such in it.
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3rd April 2005, 02:17	#9 (permalink)
bgpartri Rebreather Zealot Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 379	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) No problem, I will try to write something for the Shearwater-Sport-KISS whenever Bruce is ready, but I believe he is quite busy with the Meg electronic stuffs (Damn Meg units get in the way) The Meg work isn't really holding me up. There are just a lot of steps to get a new product out. The boards are done. But I'm also hard at work on a small feature realease for the Meg. Automatic setpoint switching seems to be a popular feature....
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3rd April 2005, 02:45	#10 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Welcome......!! Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri) The Meg work isn't really holding me up. There are just a lot of steps to get a new product out. The boards are done. But I'm also hard at work on a small feature realease for the Meg. Automatic setpoint switching seems to be a popular feature.... Bruce, Welcome aboard Stuart's creation, the best re-breather "nest" in the world for ALL types of re-breather creatures!! Rob Davie __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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