First stages

ROB DAVIE · 11th November 2005, 21:46

Heather, et al,

I have now put Apeks FST first stages in my Expedition Inspo, and use them on my bailout tins, with TX-100 second stages. They are just fabulous easy breathers, especially for going deep.

Rob

**rigdiver** · 12th November 2005, 02:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by hchoat)

Bill-
I have been told that too. Unless I saw it in writing, from SP, I wouldn't buy it. Further, I'd still O2 clean my own- remember that little story I told y'all about a valve?

That little story is BURNED into my brain. Pun intended. Thanks for sharing it way back then. I saw another aftermath of an 02 fire 2 yrs ago. It was not pretty. Haskel was burned/melted. I saw yet another Haskel also burned and melted. Attention getters to say the least. If I've run across two and knowledge of another it makes one think: How common is it?
Bill

**trob09** · 12th November 2005, 13:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck)

WHOAAA there...
Are you runnig O2 through the M1?

Atomics states that their reg is good to 80% ?
http://www.atomicaquatics.com/ComparisonChart.html

I have had all kinds of nightmares of one of these burning...

Any thoughts or experience you have with the unit would be appricated.

Regards, Andrew

Yep. I've been doing it for years and have never had even a hint of a problem. I am also pretty anal about O2 cleaning before use.

Gibbon · 15th November 2005, 22:58

Scubapro Mk2+ come with Teflon seat which is "as I understand it" not an issue when it comes to O2 compatibility.

Chris · 15th November 2005, 23:43

Jetsam are using the Zeagle DS-V on the Kiss units for a number of countries including Australia.
They are a very nice mid range and priced FS. They also use the same size blanking plug on the O2 side as the Apeks DS-IV

Cheers
Chris

WBA · 15th November 2005, 23:55

Are the Apeks and Zeagle first stages the same thing?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris)

Jetsam are using the Zeagle DS-V on the Kiss units for a number of countries including Australia.
They are a very nice mid range and priced FS. They also use the same size blanking plug on the O2 side as the Apeks DS-IV

Cheers
Chris

Chris · 16th November 2005, 00:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by WBA)

Are the Apeks and Zeagle first stages the same thing?

The Zeagle DS-V and Apeks DS-IV are similar, Zeagle have changed the HP seat to a new material and done a bit of internal work to improve the flow rate, but overall you would be hard pressed to tell them apart.

This is the only Reg that Zeagle have not completely redesigned from when they took the Regs in house in 2000.

Cheers
Chris

mverick · 16th November 2005, 00:39

ScubaPro MK25's

Or Apeks DS4's.

Depending on my mood....

ScubaPro's hoses are nicer. I trust Apeks a lot though

WBA · 16th November 2005, 01:38

I see. I asked because all the KISS divers I know (including myself) have Apeks regs on their units so I guessed they had to be either very similar or the same if that's what they're using down there.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris)

The Zeagle DS-V and Apeks DS-IV are similar, Zeagle have changed the HP seat to a new material and done a bit of internal work to improve the flow rate, but overall you would be hard pressed to tell them apart.

This is the only Reg that Zeagle have not completely redesigned from when they took the Regs in house in 2000.

Cheers
Chris

Chris · 16th November 2005, 04:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by WBA)

I see. I asked because all the KISS divers I know (including myself) have Apeks regs on their units so I guessed they had to be either very similar or the same if that's what they're using down there.

I believe Jetsam where at one point having some trouble sourcing Apeks, they could not get them in Canada in the volumes they needed. When Kim and Gordon where in Australia I ran them through the Zeagle First Stages, they then started using the Zeagle DS-V on the Sport Kiss, Every SK imported to Australia has Zeagle DS-V's on it, not sure if they are doing the same for the US now.

Cheers
Chris

11th November 2005, 21:46	#11 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Re: First stages Heather, et al, I have now put Apeks FST first stages in my Expedition Inspo, and use them on my bailout tins, with TX-100 second stages. They are just fabulous easy breathers, especially for going deep. Rob __________________ "CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving WHEN PIGS FLY!!"--GI3
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12th November 2005, 02:56	#12 (permalink)
rigdiver LEARNING CONTINUALLY Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS Posts: 427	Re: First stages Quote: (Originally Posted by hchoat) Bill- I have been told that too. Unless I saw it in writing, from SP, I wouldn't buy it. Further, I'd still O2 clean my own- remember that little story I told y'all about a valve? That little story is BURNED into my brain. Pun intended. Thanks for sharing it way back then. I saw another aftermath of an 02 fire 2 yrs ago. It was not pretty. Haskel was burned/melted. I saw yet another Haskel also burned and melted. Attention getters to say the least. If I've run across two and knowledge of another it makes one think: How common is it? Bill
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12th November 2005, 13:13	#13 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 701	Re: First stages Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck) WHOAAA there... Are you runnig O2 through the M1? Atomics states that their reg is good to 80% ? http://www.atomicaquatics.com/ComparisonChart.html I have had all kinds of nightmares of one of these burning... Any thoughts or experience you have with the unit would be appricated. Regards, Andrew Yep. I've been doing it for years and have never had even a hint of a problem. I am also pretty anal about O2 cleaning before use.
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15th November 2005, 22:58	#14 (permalink)
Gibbon Southern Monkey Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East Devon Posts: 224	Re: First stages Scubapro Mk2+ come with Teflon seat which is "as I understand it" not an issue when it comes to O2 compatibility.
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15th November 2005, 23:43	#15 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 615	Re: First stages Jetsam are using the Zeagle DS-V on the Kiss units for a number of countries including Australia. They are a very nice mid range and priced FS. They also use the same size blanking plug on the O2 side as the Apeks DS-IV Cheers Chris __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com Last edited by Chris : 15th November 2005 at 23:49.
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15th November 2005, 23:55	#16 (permalink)
WBA New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada - Ontario Posts: 59	Re: First stages Are the Apeks and Zeagle first stages the same thing? Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris) Jetsam are using the Zeagle DS-V on the Kiss units for a number of countries including Australia. They are a very nice mid range and priced FS. They also use the same size blanking plug on the O2 side as the Apeks DS-IV Cheers Chris
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16th November 2005, 00:32	#17 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 615	Re: First stages Quote: (Originally Posted by WBA) Are the Apeks and Zeagle first stages the same thing? The Zeagle DS-V and Apeks DS-IV are similar, Zeagle have changed the HP seat to a new material and done a bit of internal work to improve the flow rate, but overall you would be hard pressed to tell them apart. This is the only Reg that Zeagle have not completely redesigned from when they took the Regs in house in 2000. Cheers Chris __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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16th November 2005, 00:39	#18 (permalink)
mverick ScubaPimp Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 555	Re: First stages ScubaPro MK25's Or Apeks DS4's. Depending on my mood.... ScubaPro's hoses are nicer. I trust Apeks a lot though
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16th November 2005, 01:38	#19 (permalink)
WBA New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada - Ontario Posts: 59	Re: First stages I see. I asked because all the KISS divers I know (including myself) have Apeks regs on their units so I guessed they had to be either very similar or the same if that's what they're using down there. Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris) The Zeagle DS-V and Apeks DS-IV are similar, Zeagle have changed the HP seat to a new material and done a bit of internal work to improve the flow rate, but overall you would be hard pressed to tell them apart. This is the only Reg that Zeagle have not completely redesigned from when they took the Regs in house in 2000. Cheers Chris
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16th November 2005, 04:30	#20 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 615	Re: First stages Quote: (Originally Posted by WBA) I see. I asked because all the KISS divers I know (including myself) have Apeks regs on their units so I guessed they had to be either very similar or the same if that's what they're using down there. I believe Jetsam where at one point having some trouble sourcing Apeks, they could not get them in Canada in the volumes they needed. When Kim and Gordon where in Australia I ran them through the Zeagle First Stages, they then started using the Zeagle DS-V on the Sport Kiss, Every SK imported to Australia has Zeagle DS-V's on it, not sure if they are doing the same for the US now. Cheers Chris __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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