Meg Hose routing Discussion

jradomski

Stuart,

Nice breakdown.. The only problem I see with your gear config is the way you route the manual inflator hoses.. Although its nice and celan for you, it makes it quite difficult to share either your dil or oxygen with another CCR diver.... For most divers the dil is no big deal, since the LP inlfator for the wing will probably do.. but if they need some oxygen from you it would be hard to share..with the normal routing the buddy should be able to pull your oxygen hose off to the side to get a bit more freedom, but your way you cant..

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schford

It actually provides a few extra inches, which are a life saver when sharing hoses as compared to the standard way of routing hoses on the Meg.

PS this is just testing new system this was published months ago!

Explorer

Thanks Stuart for the nice breakdown. I did view this before and help me understand more the set up of the Meg. When one is looking at putting out some serious $$, it is nice to know want it looks like.

Thanks again.

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jradomski

AM I missing something here?? The way it looks like its routed is that the hoses have to come over the middle of the shoulder... Can it be pulled to the side?? and how far?? I am just wondering because the Meg hoses (at least those that I have seen) are shorter than those used on the inspiration, and they dont leave alot of play room either..

Thats the reason why I teach my inspiration students to route the hoses on the outside of the lungs.. (they can be put in the "channel" that runs on the outside of the lungs since it can be easily pulled out by the diver in need, its much harder to do when on the inside retainers)..

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MikeH

I certainly don't route my hoses to make it "easy" for another diver to share from those hoses.....I route them in a fashion that is best for ME.. When it comes to diluent, I can let them use my bailout dil whip.....but for O2....well....I guess they just have to be a bit closer to me if they want to share O2.

I don't know about the Insp.....but on the Meg, the hoses can be easily removed from the velcro loops that hold them on the inside or outside of the CL. I wouldn't think it would matter which way they are routed in this case, since if would only take a few more seconds to get them to the other diver if they are routed on the inside of the lungs. It's not as if somebody is holding their breath as they wait for O2.....as long as they have diluent, that is...

Is there something I'm missing here? <this is not meant to be a smartass post....it's just that....well....I've had a few beers>.....

Mike

jradomski

On The Insp the hose can be routed cleanly either way, but if you route them on the inside many people would do it under this LONG velcro flap the runs the entire length of the lungs (there is another choice to also route it as well, but again is much more of a pain in the middle of the chest, its not just a few simple loops).. Trying to undo it and get it out is a pain in the ass when wearing gloves, not as bad with bare hands.. Plus on top of that all the stuff the technical divers tend to clip to themselves, makes the job even harder, on the outside is more visable and genreally less encumbered..

My point about STUART'S inside is that the way the routes it before it gets to the lungs appears to limit its movement at the shoulder.. With The INSP it has to come out the same place always, but the hoses ARE a bit longer to start with..

If routing the hoses a certain way made it poor for a clean route then I wouldnt use it, IF it is about the same I prefer to have it (and my buddies) in a way that resources can be shared..

I always tell divers they have to think about the consequences of every change they make.. For every positive, there usually is some negative associated with it.. And since Rebreather diving is generaly planned for team bailout, the rigging should concern all team members. BTW INSP inflators work fine on the Meg manual addition valves, the other way around doent always work in the same fashion..

If you are doing weenie dives there is nothing wrong with thinking about youself.. When you do big dives you have to think about everyones safety.. Each extra option you can give your TEAM members the better... My point being if both options are about the same, the preference should be towards helping others..

On the meg the Simple loop makes moving the hoses either way a fast proposition, its the before the loop I am asking about and that it doesnt use from another diver..

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schford

Joe - the standard manufacturer reccomended way of routing Meg hoses are through the soft carry handle to keep them looped together.

My method frees up a good few inches each. It is also very clean and minimises risk of snagging on anything whilst also being plenty long enough to share easily.

jradomski

Thanks for the explanation.. Pictures can be deceptive..

Several of the meg divers I have seen, avoided putting it through the soft loop.. I know I wouldn't..

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schford

Me neither which is why I hunted for the best alternative.

Gilles

Interesting discussion for me as I cannot begin training using my Meg as it arrived and needs to be sent back with a faulty primary handset (*&**%^&).Shite happens I guess!

Questions;

1) Those of you with ballistic nylon CL's, do you keep all of the 3 velcro loops on each side? or do you snip-off the ones you don't need/use?

2) High-P hoses. Is there an option of using shorter hoses routed around either side rather than the mega-length up the back-over the shoulder-down the front as illustrated. Seems like a waste of good high-P hose?

Thanks in advance
Gilles
Malaysia

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