too fricken heavy....

netmage · 28th April 2008, 18:43

Did initial training in the N. Fl caves. AL plate, drysuit, 3L fabers & a 3lb weight mounted high on the can had me weighted and trimmed perfectly....

Got back out this past weekend in a 3mm in salt water and I was way heavy....
On the reef in 15' I pulled the lead off and still sank, w/ an empty wing and normal loop...

I'm about ready to try out a set of AL 19's to shave two more pounds off... then I'm back to adding weight to balance....

Just how high do folks slide the tanks up?

-Tim

jkaterenchuk · 28th April 2008, 19:00

Tim

I am not diving the Meg yet but I have been looking at the setup of others. I dove with a friend in the Mexican caves last week that had hose clamped his BP directly to the scrubber cannister directly (ie removed the STA) and de-inverted the tanks to try to remove some weight and get better trim.

Also, I don't know what your BP weight is but the Golem Stream plate is 2 lbs, 2 ozs. If you want to try one I can bring it down with me in May.

John

Dive!Dive! · 28th April 2008, 19:10

Had the same problem when I took my Meg to Mexcio last year. 3mm suit , al plate. Sank like a stone. I was using borrowed 2 litre steel fabers (Evo cylinders) and had to have them as high as possible to get trim , which made the valves very hard to reach. Not ideal.....
Not sure what others use but Al tanks or de-inversion would be what I try next time.
Steve

**sfldiver** · 28th April 2008, 21:23

Two words - "duct tape!"

**sfldiver** · 28th April 2008, 21:25

BTW Tim: Glad to hear you are doing better and back in the water - Looking forward to diving with you soon!

jkaterenchuk · 28th April 2008, 22:45

If your looking to only add trim weight then instead of duct tape get a pair of ankle weights. They fit the 3L tanks perfectly and are alot easier to remove and replace then duct tape. You will look a bit more......ummm....show we say prepared with them.

John

Skipbreather · 29th April 2008, 04:52

Flip side: Yesterday. Fresh water (49F BTW...). First time this BP/ can/ scrubber/ suit/ undies/ bottle/ bailout/ configuration. 4 mm crushed neoprene dry (dry at least at beginning of dive, but that's another story

). 19 cf AL bottles. Std. Meg can w/ small radial scrubber & appropriate spacer. Just one 30 cf AL bailout. Carbon fiber BP. Trim pretty good. Took a whopping 32 lb lead added a couple of lb at a time to get negative! (I've been told before I'm full of hot air, but this was ridiculous!!!).

Runawaylobster · 7th May 2008, 12:33

okay okay....

what a shock I got when I looked in this thread and see my duct
tape plastered allover it !!

By the way I got some Faber 18's now so the duct tape is gone.
and guess what... like tim I'm way too heavy but I will be switching
to an AL plate next week and checking that out. So far i haven't taken
the new fabers in the ocean just freshwater. The ocean test happens
tonight.

Les

Explorer · 7th May 2008, 13:05

Rather than duct tape, use pockets. See

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...the-meg-2.html

netmage · 7th May 2008, 13:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer)

Rather than duct tape, use pockets. See

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...the-meg-2.html

I have an xs scuba weight pocket clamped to the very top of the can right now... I think I'm going to add 2 more to the top of the cylinders, just so I have options...

Once I get it dialed it, more permanent solutions, like the stainless handle will go in....

To make matters worse, I also switched to an 8lb radial.., so there's ~2.5 more lbs of sorb in the overall package...

-Tim

28th April 2008, 18:43	#1 (permalink)
netmage mempilot = optima fan Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 242	too fricken heavy.... Did initial training in the N. Fl caves. AL plate, drysuit, 3L fabers & a 3lb weight mounted high on the can had me weighted and trimmed perfectly.... Got back out this past weekend in a 3mm in salt water and I was way heavy.... On the reef in 15' I pulled the lead off and still sank, w/ an empty wing and normal loop... I'm about ready to try out a set of AL 19's to shave two more pounds off... then I'm back to adding weight to balance.... Just how high do folks slide the tanks up? -Tim __________________ I'm really bored: PM me if you need Meg battery packs in the US...... Last edited by netmage : 28th April 2008 at 19:05. Reason: added saltwater nugget....
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28th April 2008, 19:00	#2 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 400	Re: too fricken heavy.... Tim I am not diving the Meg yet but I have been looking at the setup of others. I dove with a friend in the Mexican caves last week that had hose clamped his BP directly to the scrubber cannister directly (ie removed the STA) and de-inverted the tanks to try to remove some weight and get better trim. Also, I don't know what your BP weight is but the Golem Stream plate is 2 lbs, 2 ozs. If you want to try one I can bring it down with me in May. John
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28th April 2008, 19:10	#3 (permalink)
Dive!Dive! New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somerset, UK Posts: 74	Re: too fricken heavy.... Had the same problem when I took my Meg to Mexcio last year. 3mm suit , al plate. Sank like a stone. I was using borrowed 2 litre steel fabers (Evo cylinders) and had to have them as high as possible to get trim , which made the valves very hard to reach. Not ideal..... Not sure what others use but Al tanks or de-inversion would be what I try next time. Steve
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28th April 2008, 21:23	#4 (permalink)
sfldiver Team Optima Diver Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pompano Beach, FL Posts: 464	Re: too fricken heavy.... Two words - "duct tape!" __________________ *Currently piloting...* Dive Rite O2ptima FX Rigged w/ a Dsix Custom Aluminum Frame, Nomad Wing, Transpac Harness and VR3 Computer w/ VPM-B/E & a 4th Cell Sensor Link.* "What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women." Genghis Khan Last edited by sfldiver : 28th April 2008 at 21:35.
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28th April 2008, 21:25	#5 (permalink)
sfldiver Team Optima Diver Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pompano Beach, FL Posts: 464	Re: too fricken heavy.... BTW Tim: Glad to hear you are doing better and back in the water - Looking forward to diving with you soon! __________________ *Currently piloting...* Dive Rite O2ptima FX Rigged w/ a Dsix Custom Aluminum Frame, Nomad Wing, Transpac Harness and VR3 Computer w/ VPM-B/E & a 4th Cell Sensor Link.* "What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women." Genghis Khan
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28th April 2008, 22:45	#6 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 400	Re: too fricken heavy.... If your looking to only add trim weight then instead of duct tape get a pair of ankle weights. They fit the 3L tanks perfectly and are alot easier to remove and replace then duct tape. You will look a bit more......ummm....show we say prepared with them. John
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29th April 2008, 04:52	#7 (permalink)
Skipbreather WAY past the barber pole Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, Illinois, USA Posts: 505	Re: too fricken heavy.... Flip side: Yesterday. Fresh water (49F BTW...). First time this BP/ can/ scrubber/ suit/ undies/ bottle/ bailout/ configuration. 4 mm crushed neoprene dry (dry at least at beginning of dive, but that's another story ). 19 cf AL bottles. Std. Meg can w/ small radial scrubber & appropriate spacer. Just one 30 cf AL bailout. Carbon fiber BP. Trim pretty good. Took a whopping 32 lb lead added a couple of lb at a time to get negative! (I've been told before I'm full of hot air, but this was ridiculous!!!). __________________ "Entropy RULES! Enjoy the interim." Last edited by Skipbreather : 29th April 2008 at 04:57.
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7th May 2008, 12:33	#8 (permalink)
Runawaylobster New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 18	Re: too fricken heavy.... okay okay.... what a shock I got when I looked in this thread and see my duct tape plastered allover it !! By the way I got some Faber 18's now so the duct tape is gone. and guess what... like tim I'm way too heavy but I will be switching to an AL plate next week and checking that out. So far i haven't taken the new fabers in the ocean just freshwater. The ocean test happens tonight. Les
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7th May 2008, 13:05	#9 (permalink)
Explorer Be vewy vewy quiet.... Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 729	Re: too fricken heavy.... Rather than duct tape, use pockets. See http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...the-meg-2.html __________________ Have you hugged your Meg today, I did.....
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7th May 2008, 13:19	#10 (permalink)
netmage mempilot = optima fan Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 242	Re: too fricken heavy.... Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer) Rather than duct tape, use pockets. See http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...the-meg-2.html I have an xs scuba weight pocket clamped to the very top of the can right now... I think I'm going to add 2 more to the top of the cylinders, just so I have options... Once I get it dialed it, more permanent solutions, like the stainless handle will go in.... To make matters worse, I also switched to an 8lb radial.., so there's ~2.5 more lbs of sorb in the overall package... -Tim __________________ I'm really bored: PM me if you need Meg battery packs in the US...... Last edited by netmage : 7th May 2008 at 13:23.
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