Am I wierd or what.

caver95 · 18th October 2005, 00:31

I just into the dive shop I teach at, and fell over myself when I saw a galvinized lp steel 19, It and its brother are waiting for my new girlfriend Meg to arrive at the end of next month.

bmattson · 18th October 2005, 00:54

Are you talking about the new Worthington HP steel? I just pick mine up yesterday (my alum 19 already feel abandoned) and can't wait to get in the water and check my bouyancy.

Deep Thought · 18th October 2005, 16:16

Let me know what you think about the buoyancy and the trim of the Worthington steel 19 cu. ft. HP 3130 psi cylinders as I was not impressed with the size / weight ratio. The benchmark for the 19 cu. ft is the Faber 2400 psi cylinder. With this consideration, I think the increased diameter and weight is not justified.

If you have a similar length cylinder, increased diameter and increased pressure - I want more gas, not an equivalent amount. A further detraction is the increased pressure is not a benefit when you are faced with decanting low pressure industrial gasses.

The weight factor for travel is detraction as I would rather add lead weight attached to the cylinders or integrated on the system...I know you dive with weights attached to the tops of the al 19's for trim and ballast, so if you need weight you need weight. When I traveled to Truk last year, even steel 13's on my Mini Meg were more than I needed with a 5mm jumpsuit.

The Worthington steel cylinders do look great, and I like the quality of the galvanized exterior, but I would rather have low pressure and less weight.

Have fun with your cave training!

Quote: (Originally Posted by bmattson)

Are you talking about the new Worthington HP steel? I just pick mine up yesterday (my alum 19 already feel abandoned) and can't wait to get in the water and check my bouyancy.

caver95 · 18th October 2005, 16:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by bmattson)

Are you talking about the new Worthington HP steel? I just pick mine up yesterday (my alum 19 already feel abandoned) and can't wait to get in the water and check my bouyancy.

yeah that is what I ment, sorry.

RZEP17 · 18th October 2005, 16:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

When I traveled to Truk last year, even steel 13's on my Mini Meg were more than I needed with a 5mm jumpsuit.

Hi !
Which operator you used for diving Rebreather @ Truk?
I dove there OC in 2002 of Agressor. Now I am planning to come beck on fall 2006 with a Meg on my back.
rgrds
Tomek

Deep Thought · 18th October 2005, 17:31

I have dove ccr in Truk the past three years at the Blue Lagoon resort, which is low on the radar for tech operations. Most of the press goes to the liveaboards as divers get unlimited opportunity to dive the wrecks...however in the past two years my dives have been virtually unlimited, meaning that I get as much time in the water as I care to. Last year we were diving in the 170 - 200 foot range with minimum one hour on the wreck, it did incur a bit of deco but a full hour on the bottom - wow, we really covered some ground and did a lot of penetrations. Our group would normally do 2 dives and sometimes opt for a third, but with the time we already spent in the water it seriously cuts into my pub time and the Blue Lagoon has a mighty fine outdoor pub.

The cool thing is that the last two years I have been planting onboard dil /oxy and stage bottles at the resort, plus chemical so I can support about 12-16 ccr divers. The benefit is that the ccr divers do not need to travel with their cylinders and can carry cameras, or sorb or whatever? Although it is my intent to leave the cylinders for other ccr divers to enjoy, the BL staff puts them in storage until I return each year.

I'm running a trip this year in March, and trying to plan a trip with RBW next season. I will be shipping another pallet of chemical and cylinders down soon, if you need anything do not hesitate to pm me.

ron

ccr in T

Quote: (Originally Posted by RZEP17)

Hi !
Which operator you used for diving Rebreather @ Truk?
I dove there OC in 2002 of Agressor. Now I am planning to come beck on fall 2006 with a Meg on my back.
rgrds
Tomek

RZEP17 · 18th October 2005, 20:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

Last year we were diving in the 170 - 200 foot range with minimum one hour on the wreck, it did incur a bit of deco but a full hour on the bottom - wow, we really covered some ground and did a lot of penetrations.

Cool!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

The cool thing is that the last two years I have been planting onboard dil /oxy and stage bottles at the resort, plus chemical so I can support about 12-16 ccr divers. The benefit is that the ccr divers do not need to travel with their cylinders and can carry cameras, or sorb or whatever? Although it is my intent to leave the cylinders for other ccr divers to enjoy, the BL staff puts them in storage until I return each year.

It is a very good idea.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

if you need anything do not hesitate to pm me

Thanks for an info and an offer, I may pm you when I get more info on my trip.
T.

PeteS · 19th October 2005, 00:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by caver95)

I just into the dive shop I teach at, and fell over myself when I saw a galvinized lp steel 19, It and its brother are waiting for my new girlfriend Meg to arrive at the end of next month.

232 or 300 bar? 300 bar would be over the top, and might be a bit heavy, which is probably why you fell over.

A 19 litre is a big tank though.

And is Galvinising something Vinnie Jones does?

**JPJones** · 19th October 2005, 14:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

Let me know what you think about the buoyancy and the trim of the Worthington steel 19 cu. ft. HP 3130 psi cylinders as I was not impressed with the size / weight ratio. The benchmark for the 19 cu. ft is the Faber 2400 psi cylinder. With this consideration, I think the increased diameter and weight is not justified.

If you have a similar length cylinder, increased diameter and increased pressure - I want more gas, not an equivalent amount. A further detraction is the increased pressure is not a benefit when you are faced with decanting low pressure industrial gasses.

The weight factor for travel is detraction as I would rather add lead weight attached to the cylinders or integrated on the system...I know you dive with weights attached to the tops of the al 19's for trim and ballast, so if you need weight you need weight. When I traveled to Truk last year, even steel 13's on my Mini Meg were more than I needed with a 5mm jumpsuit.

The Worthington steel cylinders do look great, and I like the quality of the galvanized exterior, but I would rather have low pressure and less weight.

Have fun with your cave training!

I'll let you know how Bill's check out Saturday night. New tanks and a Cave class I should have a few chuckles.

18th October 2005, 00:31	#1 (permalink)
caver95 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: US Posts: 171	Am I wierd or what. I just into the dive shop I teach at, and fell over myself when I saw a galvinized lp steel 19, It and its brother are waiting for my new girlfriend Meg to arrive at the end of next month.
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18th October 2005, 00:54	#2 (permalink)
bmattson New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 21	Are you talking about the new Worthington HP steel? I just pick mine up yesterday (my alum 19 already feel abandoned) and can't wait to get in the water and check my bouyancy.
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18th October 2005, 16:16	#3 (permalink)
Deep Thought RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 195	Let me know what you think about the buoyancy and the trim of the Worthington steel 19 cu. ft. HP 3130 psi cylinders as I was not impressed with the size / weight ratio. The benchmark for the 19 cu. ft is the Faber 2400 psi cylinder. With this consideration, I think the increased diameter and weight is not justified. If you have a similar length cylinder, increased diameter and increased pressure - I want more gas, not an equivalent amount. A further detraction is the increased pressure is not a benefit when you are faced with decanting low pressure industrial gasses. The weight factor for travel is detraction as I would rather add lead weight attached to the cylinders or integrated on the system...I know you dive with weights attached to the tops of the al 19's for trim and ballast, so if you need weight you need weight. When I traveled to Truk last year, even steel 13's on my Mini Meg were more than I needed with a 5mm jumpsuit. The Worthington steel cylinders do look great, and I like the quality of the galvanized exterior, but I would rather have low pressure and less weight. Have fun with your cave training! Quote: (Originally Posted by bmattson) Are you talking about the new Worthington HP steel? I just pick mine up yesterday (my alum 19 already feel abandoned) and can't wait to get in the water and check my bouyancy.
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18th October 2005, 16:17	#4 (permalink)
caver95 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: US Posts: 171	Quote: (Originally Posted by bmattson) Are you talking about the new Worthington HP steel? I just pick mine up yesterday (my alum 19 already feel abandoned) and can't wait to get in the water and check my bouyancy. yeah that is what I ment, sorry.
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18th October 2005, 16:30	#5 (permalink)
RZEP17 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 78	Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) When I traveled to Truk last year, even steel 13's on my Mini Meg were more than I needed with a 5mm jumpsuit. Hi ! Which operator you used for diving Rebreather @ Truk? I dove there OC in 2002 of Agressor. Now I am planning to come beck on fall 2006 with a Meg on my back. rgrds Tomek
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18th October 2005, 17:31	#6 (permalink)
Deep Thought RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 195	I have dove ccr in Truk the past three years at the Blue Lagoon resort, which is low on the radar for tech operations. Most of the press goes to the liveaboards as divers get unlimited opportunity to dive the wrecks...however in the past two years my dives have been virtually unlimited, meaning that I get as much time in the water as I care to. Last year we were diving in the 170 - 200 foot range with minimum one hour on the wreck, it did incur a bit of deco but a full hour on the bottom - wow, we really covered some ground and did a lot of penetrations. Our group would normally do 2 dives and sometimes opt for a third, but with the time we already spent in the water it seriously cuts into my pub time and the Blue Lagoon has a mighty fine outdoor pub. The cool thing is that the last two years I have been planting onboard dil /oxy and stage bottles at the resort, plus chemical so I can support about 12-16 ccr divers. The benefit is that the ccr divers do not need to travel with their cylinders and can carry cameras, or sorb or whatever? Although it is my intent to leave the cylinders for other ccr divers to enjoy, the BL staff puts them in storage until I return each year. I'm running a trip this year in March, and trying to plan a trip with RBW next season. I will be shipping another pallet of chemical and cylinders down soon, if you need anything do not hesitate to pm me. ron ccr in T Quote: (Originally Posted by RZEP17) Hi ! Which operator you used for diving Rebreather @ Truk? I dove there OC in 2002 of Agressor. Now I am planning to come beck on fall 2006 with a Meg on my back. rgrds Tomek
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18th October 2005, 20:38	#7 (permalink)
RZEP17 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 78	Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) Last year we were diving in the 170 - 200 foot range with minimum one hour on the wreck, it did incur a bit of deco but a full hour on the bottom - wow, we really covered some ground and did a lot of penetrations. Cool! Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) The cool thing is that the last two years I have been planting onboard dil /oxy and stage bottles at the resort, plus chemical so I can support about 12-16 ccr divers. The benefit is that the ccr divers do not need to travel with their cylinders and can carry cameras, or sorb or whatever? Although it is my intent to leave the cylinders for other ccr divers to enjoy, the BL staff puts them in storage until I return each year. It is a very good idea. Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) if you need anything do not hesitate to pm me Thanks for an info and an offer, I may pm you when I get more info on my trip. T.
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19th October 2005, 00:25	#8 (permalink)
PeteS Consent Issued! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 543	Quote: (Originally Posted by caver95) I just into the dive shop I teach at, and fell over myself when I saw a galvinized lp steel 19, It and its brother are waiting for my new girlfriend Meg to arrive at the end of next month. 232 or 300 bar? 300 bar would be over the top, and might be a bit heavy, which is probably why you fell over. A 19 litre is a big tank though. And is Galvinising something Vinnie Jones does? __________________ Pete S. http://www.steggle.co.nz Every silver lining has a cloud
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19th October 2005, 14:43	#9 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) Let me know what you think about the buoyancy and the trim of the Worthington steel 19 cu. ft. HP 3130 psi cylinders as I was not impressed with the size / weight ratio. The benchmark for the 19 cu. ft is the Faber 2400 psi cylinder. With this consideration, I think the increased diameter and weight is not justified. If you have a similar length cylinder, increased diameter and increased pressure - I want more gas, not an equivalent amount. A further detraction is the increased pressure is not a benefit when you are faced with decanting low pressure industrial gasses. The weight factor for travel is detraction as I would rather add lead weight attached to the cylinders or integrated on the system...I know you dive with weights attached to the tops of the al 19's for trim and ballast, so if you need weight you need weight. When I traveled to Truk last year, even steel 13's on my Mini Meg were more than I needed with a 5mm jumpsuit. The Worthington steel cylinders do look great, and I like the quality of the galvanized exterior, but I would rather have low pressure and less weight. Have fun with your cave training! I'll let you know how Bill's check out Saturday night. New tanks and a Cave class I should have a few chuckles.
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