COPIS question

scubandreams · 22nd February 2008, 03:03

Howdy folks,

I am in the process of researching rebreathers so that hopefully one day I will be able to call one my own.

I am currently looking at several of them, but essentially my budget precludes me from going all out new ECCR. However some of my criteria include for the unit to be simple, reliable, and tough as a tank and from everything I have read the Meg falls into that category. Which brings me back to the budget issue.

The question is pretty simple, if I bought a COPIS...I can then later later later upgrade to an Apecs (or HH or whatever) head and turn the COPIS into a ECCR (I am not sure I even want to go that route, MCCR maybe what fits my diving style the best). --- True?

If true, how much would such an upgrade cost?

COPIS and CK are on the top of my list by the way.

Thanks in advance,

Sherman

gottrimix · 22nd February 2008, 04:18

You can call ISC for upgrading the Copis head. Another option is to keep the Copis as a backup and buy either a new Apecs eccr head or get a Hammer Meg head from Kevin.

Lots of options with the Meg.

Nailer99 · 22nd February 2008, 05:23

I bought my COPIS 3 months ago, thinking I might upgrade to APECS down the road. ~50 dives later, I don't see any point in doing that- I love my mCCR, it will do every dive I want to do just fine. And I don't have to worry about a solenoid going funny on me, either. Hearty thumbs up for the COPIS, but I wouldn't rule out the Classic Kiss, either- those were my "top 2" as well, btw.

Hyper-limits · 22nd February 2008, 06:58

The advantage of the COPIS is that you can upgrade in the future to an APECS 2 or even to the APECS 3 whenever it's release by ISC. The upgrade for the APECS 2 should be around 3000$, the APECS 3 will be a lot more.
The Meg is build like a tank and should last you for a long time.

Cheers

Al

mattmexico · 22nd February 2008, 11:52

hi there

The upgrade from COPIS to APECS is basically a new head. Prices change around but you could get in touch with ISC and ask direct.

gretings
Matt

netmage · 22nd February 2008, 12:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubandreams)

Howdy folks,

I am in the process of researching rebreathers so that hopefully one day I will be able to call one my own.

I am currently looking at several of them, but essentially my budget precludes me from going all out new ECCR. However some of my criteria include for the unit to be simple, reliable, and tough as a tank and from everything I have read the Meg falls into that category. Which brings me back to the budget issue.

The question is pretty simple, if I bought a COPIS...I can then later later later upgrade to an Apecs (or HH or whatever) head and turn the COPIS into a ECCR (I am not sure I even want to go that route, MCCR maybe what fits my diving style the best). --- True?

I was thinking along the same route, then a screaming deal on a used apecs came along and I jumped at it...

Unless your pushing beyond the IP depth limitation, I think the COPIS, expecially the new generation w/ HUD, is a fine choice... Don't think of it as a second rate unit...!

I'm kicking around the idea of a backup COPIS head or making my own mCCR iteration...

**wedivebc** · 22nd February 2008, 13:01

The new COPIS II is really a good system. The HUD is a great added feature and now you are not required to calibrate every dive makes setup a little easier.

MM77 · 22nd February 2008, 16:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

The new COPIS II is really a good system. The HUD is a great added feature and now you are not required to calibrate every dive makes setup a little easier.

Hi,
Why is it not necessary to calibrate the COPISII every dive? or is this irrespective of the type of unit - depending on what/when you are diving etc?

Thanks

Simon A · 22nd February 2008, 16:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by MM77)

Hi,
Why is it not necessary to calibrate the COPISII every dive? or is this irrespective of the type of unit - depending on what/when you are diving etc?

Thanks

Why would you re calibrate a unit that was already calibrated correctly? My hammerhead can go weeks between calibrations. The calibration gets checked before every dive (air and pure O2) but it doesn't get re calibrated unless doesn't match the known gases.
HTH
Simon A

**wedivebc** · 22nd February 2008, 17:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by MM77)

Hi,
Why is it not necessary to calibrate the COPISII every dive? or is this irrespective of the type of unit - depending on what/when you are diving etc?

Thanks

The original COPIS had a "feature" that caused it to lose the calibration when the power was off so therefore required recalbrating every time it was powered up. The new COPIS II retains calibration data.

22nd February 2008, 03:03	#1 (permalink)
scubandreams New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 21	COPIS question Howdy folks, I am in the process of researching rebreathers so that hopefully one day I will be able to call one my own. I am currently looking at several of them, but essentially my budget precludes me from going all out new ECCR. However some of my criteria include for the unit to be simple, reliable, and tough as a tank and from everything I have read the Meg falls into that category. Which brings me back to the budget issue. The question is pretty simple, if I bought a COPIS...I can then later later later upgrade to an Apecs (or HH or whatever) head and turn the COPIS into a ECCR (I am not sure I even want to go that route, MCCR maybe what fits my diving style the best). --- True? If true, how much would such an upgrade cost? COPIS and CK are on the top of my list by the way. Thanks in advance, Sherman
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22nd February 2008, 04:18	#2 (permalink)
gottrimix New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 55	Re: COPIS question You can call ISC for upgrading the Copis head. Another option is to keep the Copis as a backup and buy either a new Apecs eccr head or get a Hammer Meg head from Kevin. Lots of options with the Meg. __________________ Steve www.lakemeadtechnicaldivers.com
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22nd February 2008, 05:23	#3 (permalink)
Nailer99 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 170	Re: COPIS question I bought my COPIS 3 months ago, thinking I might upgrade to APECS down the road. ~50 dives later, I don't see any point in doing that- I love my mCCR, it will do every dive I want to do just fine. And I don't have to worry about a solenoid going funny on me, either. Hearty thumbs up for the COPIS, but I wouldn't rule out the Classic Kiss, either- those were my "top 2" as well, btw.
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22nd February 2008, 06:58	#4 (permalink)
Hyper-limits Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 113	Re: COPIS question The advantage of the COPIS is that you can upgrade in the future to an APECS 2 or even to the APECS 3 whenever it's release by ISC. The upgrade for the APECS 2 should be around 3000$, the APECS 3 will be a lot more. The Meg is build like a tank and should last you for a long time. Cheers Al __________________ "The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear. And the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown" H.P. Lovecraft
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22nd February 2008, 11:52	#5 (permalink)
mattmexico Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Prism Topaz Sport Kiss RB80 / Clone Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Mexico, Q.Roo, Playa del Carmen Posts: 752	Re: COPIS question hi there The upgrade from COPIS to APECS is basically a new head. Prices change around but you could get in touch with ISC and ask direct. gretings Matt __________________ N 20' 37.617' W 87' 04.693' www.andreaswmatthes.com
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22nd February 2008, 12:50	#6 (permalink)
netmage Hello Kitty...... Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 354	Re: COPIS question Quote: (Originally Posted by scubandreams) Howdy folks, I am in the process of researching rebreathers so that hopefully one day I will be able to call one my own. I am currently looking at several of them, but essentially my budget precludes me from going all out new ECCR. However some of my criteria include for the unit to be simple, reliable, and tough as a tank and from everything I have read the Meg falls into that category. Which brings me back to the budget issue. The question is pretty simple, if I bought a COPIS...I can then later later later upgrade to an Apecs (or HH or whatever) head and turn the COPIS into a ECCR (I am not sure I even want to go that route, MCCR maybe what fits my diving style the best). --- True? I was thinking along the same route, then a screaming deal on a used apecs came along and I jumped at it... Unless your pushing beyond the IP depth limitation, I think the COPIS, expecially the new generation w/ HUD, is a fine choice... Don't think of it as a second rate unit...! I'm kicking around the idea of a backup COPIS head or making my own mCCR iteration...
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22nd February 2008, 13:01	#7 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,358	Re: COPIS question The new COPIS II is really a good system. The HUD is a great added feature and now you are not required to calibrate every dive makes setup a little easier. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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22nd February 2008, 16:26	#8 (permalink)
MM77 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London / Surrey Posts: 16	Re: COPIS question Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) The new COPIS II is really a good system. The HUD is a great added feature and now you are not required to calibrate every dive makes setup a little easier. Hi, Why is it not necessary to calibrate the COPISII every dive? or is this irrespective of the type of unit - depending on what/when you are diving etc? Thanks
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22nd February 2008, 16:59	#9 (permalink)
Simon A Escapee from DIY Rebreather's Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 282	Re: COPIS question Quote: (Originally Posted by MM77) Hi, Why is it not necessary to calibrate the COPISII every dive? or is this irrespective of the type of unit - depending on what/when you are diving etc? Thanks Why would you re calibrate a unit that was already calibrated correctly? My hammerhead can go weeks between calibrations. The calibration gets checked before every dive (air and pure O2) but it doesn't get re calibrated unless doesn't match the known gases. HTH Simon A
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22nd February 2008, 17:38	#10 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,358	Re: COPIS question Quote: (Originally Posted by MM77) Hi, Why is it not necessary to calibrate the COPISII every dive? or is this irrespective of the type of unit - depending on what/when you are diving etc? Thanks The original COPIS had a "feature" that caused it to lose the calibration when the power was off so therefore required recalbrating every time it was powered up. The new COPIS II retains calibration data. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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