APECS 3.0 almost here?

mortenkjerulff · 16th January 2008, 17:50

Just read on Rich Stevenson's homepage Deep Blue Diving that you can pre-order APECS 3.0.

Does anybody know more about this?

Cheers
Morten

steveharriss · 17th January 2008, 09:59

I saw it yesterday and dismissed it as bollocks TBH

mdsourou · 18th January 2008, 06:02

HI all
About the Apecs 3.0 as far as i know they might wont even be released this year. I know more informations but cant say as i promised not to do it. So dont wait for no reason in the very near future.
Cheers

lancsman · 18th January 2008, 09:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by mdsourou)

HI all
About the Apecs 3.0 as far as i know they might wont even be released this year. I know more informations but cant say as i promised not to do it. So dont wait for no reason in the very near future.
Cheers

If this is the case I for one will be looking else where for my next unit. This was promised when I bought mine in early 2006 and was one of the reasons I opted for this unit. It would be good if ISC could make a statement one way or the other.

Mark

**PhilSiswick** · 18th January 2008, 09:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by lancsman)

If this is the case I for one will be looking else where for my next unit. This was promised when I bought mine in early 2006 and was one of the reasons I opted for this unit. It would be good if ISC could make a statement one way or the other.

Mark

It's one of the reasons I discounted the Meg when I ordered my Vision in late 2006 - it was just round the corner then, but had already been delayed by at least 6 months (and probably longer - I was even newer to this game then than I am now

I think it's a great shame that ISC haven't got this into production yet, several years after it was just around the corner. There are several units that are very far ahead of the Meg on the electronics front, plus several very good aftermarket controllers, so they must be losing out on sales and revenue.

Cheers,

mdsourou · 18th January 2008, 11:38

My friend Phil
The point is not to buy a unit with Deco software on but buy a unit with PROPER software on to keep you away from problems and away from electronics failures. You can see how other units are. So i am telling right now that it will worth the waiting time when they ll be released. So, when they release them you will probably have the best unit on the market then. and dont forget what they say......
Good things come to these who wait!! ;)

rogeringebo · 18th January 2008, 11:43

I think preparing for CE testing has a higher priority...
It takes to long but I believe that is better then rushing it and not getting it right like on many other products on the rebreathermarket.

Rodge

**PhilSiswick** · 18th January 2008, 11:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by mdsourou)

My friend Phil
The point is not to buy a unit with Deco software on but buy a unit with PROPER software on to keep you away from problems and away from electronics failures. You can see how other units are. So i am telling right now that it will worth the waiting time when they ll be released. So, when they release them you will probably have the best unit on the market then. and dont forget what they say......
Good things come to these who wait!! ;)

That's a very valid point and one I took into account. In the meantime, I've been diving a CE approved unit with full onboard deco calculation and a controller that can keep PO2 within a sensible range, which has support that is local to me and a massive global installed base, for over a year

I do get the argument for Apecs 3, I'm merely pointing out that the argument for waiting for it is not one sided. There are flaws in all units and the Apecs 2 Meg is no exception - therefore, there is no particular reason to assume that Apecs 3 is going to be so much better than other products (Vision, Hammerhead, Shearwater etc) that are already out there and already proven. It's your call to wait - all I said was that I chose not to.

Cheers,

lancsman · 18th January 2008, 12:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

I think preparing for CE testing has a higher priority...
It takes to long but I believe that is better then rushing it and not getting it right like on many other products on the rebreathermarket.

Rodge

I agree but a quick search on the web show late 2004 early 2005 as the first mentioning of the product and its feature set. That is a long time to get it right in any ones book.

Mark

Jim · 18th January 2008, 13:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by mdsourou)

My friend Phil
The point is not to buy a unit with Deco software on but buy a unit with PROPER software on to keep you away from problems and away from electronics failures. You can see how other units are. So i am telling right now that it will worth the waiting time when they ll be released. So, when they release them you will probably have the best unit on the market then. and dont forget what they say......
Good things come to these who wait!! ;)

Dear Mdsourou,

Being a loyal Meg diver I follow your sentiment, however ......

From a retail, service and customer point of view there is a saying,

'Under promise, over deliver' - i.e. in this case, give us a time scale then beat it .....

What we are actually getting is 'Over promise, Under deliver'. I am waiting keenly for version 3.0 but rather than hold my breath, would like to be told 'It's gonna be at least two years' etc.

By the way, you do realise you have to be fit to dive CCR, by the looks of your avatar, you have a ways to go - best get the joggers on

All the best.

16th January 2008, 17:50	#1 (permalink)
mortenkjerulff Customise Me! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 153	APECS 3.0 almost here? Just read on Rich Stevenson's homepage Deep Blue Diving that you can pre-order APECS 3.0. Does anybody know more about this? Cheers Morten
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17th January 2008, 09:59	#2 (permalink)
steveharriss Bubble free by choice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 261	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? I saw it yesterday and dismissed it as bollocks TBH
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18th January 2008, 06:02	#3 (permalink)
mdsourou RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cyprus Posts: 45	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? HI all About the Apecs 3.0 as far as i know they might wont even be released this year. I know more informations but cant say as i promised not to do it. So dont wait for no reason in the very near future. Cheers
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18th January 2008, 09:22	#4 (permalink)
lancsman RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK, Flitwick Posts: 67	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by mdsourou) HI all About the Apecs 3.0 as far as i know they might wont even be released this year. I know more informations but cant say as i promised not to do it. So dont wait for no reason in the very near future. Cheers If this is the case I for one will be looking else where for my next unit. This was promised when I bought mine in early 2006 and was one of the reasons I opted for this unit. It would be good if ISC could make a statement one way or the other. Mark
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18th January 2008, 09:48	#5 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,284	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by lancsman) If this is the case I for one will be looking else where for my next unit. This was promised when I bought mine in early 2006 and was one of the reasons I opted for this unit. It would be good if ISC could make a statement one way or the other. Mark It's one of the reasons I discounted the Meg when I ordered my Vision in late 2006 - it was just round the corner then, but had already been delayed by at least 6 months (and probably longer - I was even newer to this game then than I am now I think it's a great shame that ISC haven't got this into production yet, several years after it was just around the corner. There are several units that are very far ahead of the Meg on the electronics front, plus several very good aftermarket controllers, so they must be losing out on sales and revenue. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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18th January 2008, 11:38	#6 (permalink)
mdsourou RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cyprus Posts: 45	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? My friend Phil The point is not to buy a unit with Deco software on but buy a unit with PROPER software on to keep you away from problems and away from electronics failures. You can see how other units are. So i am telling right now that it will worth the waiting time when they ll be released. So, when they release them you will probably have the best unit on the market then. and dont forget what they say...... Good things come to these who wait!! ;)
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18th January 2008, 11:43	#7 (permalink)
rogeringebo Life starts at 100 Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 818	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? I think preparing for CE testing has a higher priority... It takes to long but I believe that is better then rushing it and not getting it right like on many other products on the rebreathermarket. Rodge
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18th January 2008, 11:53	#8 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,284	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by mdsourou) My friend Phil The point is not to buy a unit with Deco software on but buy a unit with PROPER software on to keep you away from problems and away from electronics failures. You can see how other units are. So i am telling right now that it will worth the waiting time when they ll be released. So, when they release them you will probably have the best unit on the market then. and dont forget what they say...... Good things come to these who wait!! ;) That's a very valid point and one I took into account. In the meantime, I've been diving a CE approved unit with full onboard deco calculation and a controller that can keep PO2 within a sensible range, which has support that is local to me and a massive global installed base, for over a year I do get the argument for Apecs 3, I'm merely pointing out that the argument for waiting for it is not one sided. There are flaws in all units and the Apecs 2 Meg is no exception - therefore, there is no particular reason to assume that Apecs 3 is going to be so much better than other products (Vision, Hammerhead, Shearwater etc) that are already out there and already proven. It's your call to wait - all I said was that I chose not to. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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18th January 2008, 12:54	#9 (permalink)
lancsman RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK, Flitwick Posts: 67	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) I think preparing for CE testing has a higher priority... It takes to long but I believe that is better then rushing it and not getting it right like on many other products on the rebreathermarket. Rodge I agree but a quick search on the web show late 2004 early 2005 as the first mentioning of the product and its feature set. That is a long time to get it right in any ones book. Mark
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18th January 2008, 13:03	#10 (permalink)
Jim Lovable Cockhead ! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Purley, UK Posts: 154	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by mdsourou) My friend Phil The point is not to buy a unit with Deco software on but buy a unit with PROPER software on to keep you away from problems and away from electronics failures. You can see how other units are. So i am telling right now that it will worth the waiting time when they ll be released. So, when they release them you will probably have the best unit on the market then. and dont forget what they say...... Good things come to these who wait!! ;) Dear Mdsourou, Being a loyal Meg diver I follow your sentiment, however ...... From a retail, service and customer point of view there is a saying, 'Under promise, over deliver' - i.e. in this case, give us a time scale then beat it ..... What we are actually getting is 'Over promise, Under deliver'. I am waiting keenly for version 3.0 but rather than hold my breath, would like to be told 'It's gonna be at least two years' etc. By the way, you do realise you have to be fit to dive CCR, by the looks of your avatar, you have a ways to go - best get the joggers on All the best.
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