APECS 3.0 almost here?

mdsourou · 18th January 2008, 14:39

Hi Jim
I liked that saying tho.1st time i listen to it

Not English you see. But i am trying my best to speak as good as possible....
Anyway is not about being loyal. But by the time i do my diving with my VR3s i am not really in a hurry. But to be fair, i cant wait to see Apecs3.0. But even when they come up, i wont be one of the 1st people they buy it. I am going to wait for at least 6 months of feedback and then do my purchase.
Cheers

Jim · 18th January 2008, 15:43

Agreed, have two VR3s, and like you have no problems with the unit and deco being seperate systems ...... I'm just an impatient bugger and like to have the best !

It will also hush the yellow tupperware brigade who harp on about
vision etc

Leon needs to help us out for that reason at the very least ....

By the way, your written English is very good indeed.

All the best.

Mark Chase · 18th January 2008, 22:41

Wooo hooo Apex 3 is on its way.

I hope I haven't spent all my money on the APD's BOV or that the C02 monitor before its ready

Mind you there is always Mr Wards Open Revolution head. I am sure that will be a serious competitor.

Mind you my Vee Cam should be ready soon so thats another thing Id better prepare for.

Vapor wear?? Dont you just love it

**rigdiver** · 18th January 2008, 23:00

I asked Leon point blank @ DEMA "when will APECS 3.0 be released?" Leon's reply was " it will be here when it get's here, I will not rush it." I'm waiting on it's release also before I buy. Got completely certified on the unit already. Meanwhile I'll continue diving the Yellow Box. There is a lot I like about the Meg.

Hyper-limits · 19th January 2008, 02:55

Maybe I'm the only Meg owner that doesn't care that much about the APECS 3 or maybe I'm willing to wait until it is ready. I perfer to wait for ICS got it right the first time. Now expectation are so high, that it doesn't matter how good it turns out, most will be unhappy with the final product.

The biggest mistake Leon did is tell divers that the APECS 3 would be ready for DEMA 2006 and 2007 etc. If he waited a month prior to the release date,
whenever it was finally ready, we would not have the same discussion every 2 months.

Al

***caveseeker7*** · 19th January 2008, 05:41

The problem I see when taking that long to develop the electronics is that they may be well behind by the time you get them on the market. You may have gotten all the bugs out, but end up having obsolete electronics, with the competition having passed you.

C2R did some novel stuff with their electronics like the auto calibration. Bill Stone and his team may have raised the bar considerably with the MK-VI's dual sensor layout and continuous automatic sensor verification. If that system works as they hope it'll be quite a large step towards safety. And make the three sensor voting logic layouts pretty much obsolete.

SMI already have cell-tracking, APD and C2R already have temperature based scrubber gauges, C-L, APD, DR, JM and SW already have integrated deco. So even if ISC adds either of those, they're just catching up.

The one thing currently missing is a working, affordable CO2 sensor, which will be a big step forward. And still translate into being behind in respect to pO2 management if the P/C-L works out ...

That would put every manufacturer on notice ...

lancsman · 19th January 2008, 07:25

I used to work for a software company that kept delaying the release of its software. Not quite ready, the competitors have more features etc etc. In their first 4 years they released nothing. By the time a new manager came in the number of bugs to be fixed in the first release were massive. I would rather see lots of small incremental releases (in the inital price) that the one big all in compassing, bug ridden, release.

When ISC first announced APECS 3 it was an industry leader it is now just an also ran. Lets get it out there in a basic for then build in a controlled way and not try to leap ahead and just keep falling behind or stick with APECS 2.X and let the after market fill the gap either way let the customer know, they are the ones paying the wages afterall.

Mark

depth · 19th January 2008, 13:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

C2R did some novel stuff with their electronics like the auto calibration. Bill Stone and his team may have raised the bar considerably with the MK-VI's dual sensor layout and continuous automatic sensor verification. If that system works as they hope it'll be quite a large step towards safety. And make the three sensor voting logic layouts pretty much obsolete.

I agree with this 100% I can't wait to see the tech version when it is released!

/Christian

PacketSniffer · 22nd January 2008, 16:51

When getting serious about obtaining a Meg, I went back and forth with waiting for APECS 3.0. I also solicited others for their comments and suggestions. I'm glad I didn't wait. I'm down the road now with a good batch of 3 digit dives behind me. At this point in time, I have a better understanding of where I'm headed in regards to rebreather diving and what I want in my diving system. I know that I don't want the deco algorithm being run in the same system controlling and reporting PO2 without it being absolutely fault tolerant. I don't see any systems within a "middle class" price range that have this capability.....yet. So, for now, I love the APECS 2.x for it's simplicity and ruggedness. Deco is handled by a completely separate computer (Liquivision X1). For me, it's the perfect marriage. Going this route makes even more sense for me because it doesn't tie the decompression to just one rebreather during a dive.

APECS 3.0? Not interested.

netmage · 22nd January 2008, 19:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by PacketSniffer)

When getting serious about obtaining a Meg, I went back and forth with waiting for APECS 3.0. I also solicited others for their comments and suggestions. I'm glad I didn't wait. I'm down the road now with a good batch of 3 digit dives behind me. At this point in time, I have a better understanding of where I'm headed in regards to rebreather diving and what I want in my diving system. I know that I don't want the deco algorithm being run in the same system controlling and reporting PO2 without it being absolutely fault tolerant. I don't see any systems within a "middle class" price range that have this capability.....yet. So, for now, I love the APECS 2.x for it's simplicity and ruggedness. Deco is handled by a completely separate computer (Liquivision X1). For me, it's the perfect marriage. Going this route makes even more sense for me because it doesn't tie the decompression to just one rebreather during a dive.

APECS 3.0? Not interested.

Resilliancy, ruggedness, and redundancy through modularity... I don't like being locked into an integrated vertical solution.

18th January 2008, 14:39	#11 (permalink)
mdsourou New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cyprus Posts: 46	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Hi Jim I liked that saying tho.1st time i listen to it Not English you see. But i am trying my best to speak as good as possible.... Anyway is not about being loyal. But by the time i do my diving with my VR3s i am not really in a hurry. But to be fair, i cant wait to see Apecs3.0. But even when they come up, i wont be one of the 1st people they buy it. I am going to wait for at least 6 months of feedback and then do my purchase. Cheers
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18th January 2008, 15:43	#12 (permalink)
Jim Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Purley, UK Posts: 109	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Agreed, have two VR3s, and like you have no problems with the unit and deco being seperate systems ...... I'm just an impatient bugger and like to have the best ! It will also hush the yellow tupperware brigade who harp on about vision etc Leon needs to help us out for that reason at the very least .... By the way, your written English is very good indeed. All the best. __________________ Jimbo
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18th January 2008, 22:41	#13 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,470	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Wooo hooo Apex 3 is on its way. I hope I haven't spent all my money on the APD's BOV or that the C02 monitor before its ready Mind you there is always Mr Wards Open Revolution head. I am sure that will be a serious competitor. Mind you my Vee Cam should be ready soon so thats another thing Id better prepare for. Vapor wear?? Dont you just love it __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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18th January 2008, 23:00	#14 (permalink)
rigdiver LEARNING CONTINUALLY Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS Posts: 412	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? I asked Leon point blank @ DEMA "when will APECS 3.0 be released?" Leon's reply was " it will be here when it get's here, I will not rush it." I'm waiting on it's release also before I buy. Got completely certified on the unit already. Meanwhile I'll continue diving the Yellow Box. There is a lot I like about the Meg.
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19th January 2008, 02:55	#15 (permalink)
Hyper-limits Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 113	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Maybe I'm the only Meg owner that doesn't care that much about the APECS 3 or maybe I'm willing to wait until it is ready. I perfer to wait for ICS got it right the first time. Now expectation are so high, that it doesn't matter how good it turns out, most will be unhappy with the final product. The biggest mistake Leon did is tell divers that the APECS 3 would be ready for DEMA 2006 and 2007 etc. If he waited a month prior to the release date, whenever it was finally ready, we would not have the same discussion every 2 months. Al __________________ "The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear. And the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown" H.P. Lovecraft
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19th January 2008, 05:41	#16 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? The problem I see when taking that long to develop the electronics is that they may be well behind by the time you get them on the market. You may have gotten all the bugs out, but end up having obsolete electronics, with the competition having passed you. C2R did some novel stuff with their electronics like the auto calibration. Bill Stone and his team may have raised the bar considerably with the MK-VI's dual sensor layout and continuous automatic sensor verification. If that system works as they hope it'll be quite a large step towards safety. And make the three sensor voting logic layouts pretty much obsolete. SMI already have cell-tracking, APD and C2R already have temperature based scrubber gauges, C-L, APD, DR, JM and SW already have integrated deco. So even if ISC adds either of those, they're just catching up. The one thing currently missing is a working, affordable CO2 sensor, which will be a big step forward. And still translate into being behind in respect to pO2 management if the P/C-L works out ... That would put every manufacturer on notice ... __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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19th January 2008, 07:25	#17 (permalink)
lancsman New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK, Flitwick Posts: 60	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? I used to work for a software company that kept delaying the release of its software. Not quite ready, the competitors have more features etc etc. In their first 4 years they released nothing. By the time a new manager came in the number of bugs to be fixed in the first release were massive. I would rather see lots of small incremental releases (in the inital price) that the one big all in compassing, bug ridden, release. When ISC first announced APECS 3 it was an industry leader it is now just an also ran. Lets get it out there in a basic for then build in a controlled way and not try to leap ahead and just keep falling behind or stick with APECS 2.X and let the after market fill the gap either way let the customer know, they are the ones paying the wages afterall. Mark
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19th January 2008, 13:50	#18 (permalink)
depth Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 146	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) C2R did some novel stuff with their electronics like the auto calibration. Bill Stone and his team may have raised the bar considerably with the MK-VI's dual sensor layout and continuous automatic sensor verification. If that system works as they hope it'll be quite a large step towards safety. And make the three sensor voting logic layouts pretty much obsolete. I agree with this 100% I can't wait to see the tech version when it is released! /Christian __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not.............
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22nd January 2008, 16:51	#19 (permalink)
PacketSniffer ~~~~~ #417 ~~~~~ Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 414	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? When getting serious about obtaining a Meg, I went back and forth with waiting for APECS 3.0. I also solicited others for their comments and suggestions. I'm glad I didn't wait. I'm down the road now with a good batch of 3 digit dives behind me. At this point in time, I have a better understanding of where I'm headed in regards to rebreather diving and what I want in my diving system. I know that I don't want the deco algorithm being run in the same system controlling and reporting PO2 without it being absolutely fault tolerant. I don't see any systems within a "middle class" price range that have this capability.....yet. So, for now, I love the APECS 2.x for it's simplicity and ruggedness. Deco is handled by a completely separate computer (Liquivision X1). For me, it's the perfect marriage. Going this route makes even more sense for me because it doesn't tie the decompression to just one rebreather during a dive. APECS 3.0? Not interested. __________________ Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checked by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory or defeat.
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22nd January 2008, 19:59	#20 (permalink)
netmage Hello Kitty...... Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 351	Re: APECS 3.0 almost here? Quote: (Originally Posted by PacketSniffer) When getting serious about obtaining a Meg, I went back and forth with waiting for APECS 3.0. I also solicited others for their comments and suggestions. I'm glad I didn't wait. I'm down the road now with a good batch of 3 digit dives behind me. At this point in time, I have a better understanding of where I'm headed in regards to rebreather diving and what I want in my diving system. I know that I don't want the deco algorithm being run in the same system controlling and reporting PO2 without it being absolutely fault tolerant. I don't see any systems within a "middle class" price range that have this capability.....yet. So, for now, I love the APECS 2.x for it's simplicity and ruggedness. Deco is handled by a completely separate computer (Liquivision X1). For me, it's the perfect marriage. Going this route makes even more sense for me because it doesn't tie the decompression to just one rebreather during a dive. APECS 3.0? Not interested. Resilliancy, ruggedness, and redundancy through modularity... I don't like being locked into an integrated vertical solution.
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