Shadow gear/M&J swivels

quickean · 15th December 2007, 19:14

Thought I would puts pics up for my newest COPIS Meg configuration. Using shadow gear, I canted the angle of the cylinders and used M&J engineering 90 degree swivels on the O2 side. Worked out quite nicely.

RonMicjan · 15th December 2007, 20:19

have you considered how many more o rings you added to that precious oxygen side? 9 or more? better practice that BOOM drill. I might think about what I gained versus those added O rings, 1/2 inch of clearance? Why not flip the reg over or cant it out a touch and lose all those swivels? or does that reg not have an HP port on the flip side? Change it for one that does?

Just a thought...

quickean · 15th December 2007, 21:25

The only way to cant the O2 cylinder is to rotate the reg 90 degrees which points the hoses straight out to the side. There are two options - you can either use adaptos, which I did, or bend the hoses upwards. I didn't like the bend the hoses option because inflating the wing torks one of the hoses. Hard to explain - easier to see in person. Also one of the hoses in this configuration gets in the way of manipulating the O2 valve handle a little bit. I suppose buying a new reg is a third option, but then I'd have the expense of buying it and then would have to convert it to work for the COPIS.
Good points, but I don't mind the added o-rings - although I'm sure some people would.
This was the easiest way to configure it how I wanted.
Why cant the cylinders in the first place? Because I find them to be a pain to put on when they are straight due to the low clearance of the shadow gear. Love the shadow gear though.

Philippe GERIN · 16th December 2007, 09:24

Hi,
I don't understand why you'd want to do that. O2 hose routing on mine is perfect using the reg in the same fashion as your dil reg. Valve is clear, no wing problem.
On the dil side, you could use the parts of a Sherwood shadow + octo to distribute to both ADV and BC inflator or do the same with a Y-block from M&J.
Best
Philippe

quickean · 16th December 2007, 20:38

You must have a different reg.

divingabe · 16th December 2007, 21:31

I have the same reg on my Copiis, turning the reg 90 degrees towards the can, there was no need for elbows on the O2 hoses whether low or high pressure. You may have to rotate the tank slightly in order to clear the regulator body from the can. Then both the high pressure and the manual add low pressure can be routed through your wing slots and the constant feed line can be routed up to the head on the exterior, it will bow out slightly but not enough to be a snagging hazord.
I also agree with Ron the least amount of failure point especiallly on the O2 side is certainly desirable.
As has been said to each their own.
Gabe

netmage · 16th December 2007, 23:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by divingabe)

I have the same reg on my Copiis, turning the reg 90 degrees towards the can, there was no need for elbows on the O2 hoses whether low or high pressure. You may have to rotate the tank slightly in order to clear the regulator body from the can. Then both the high pressure and the manual add low pressure can be routed through your wing slots and the constant feed line can be routed up to the head on the exterior, it will bow out slightly but not enough to be a snagging hazord.
I also agree with Ron the least amount of failure point especiallly on the O2 side is certainly desirable.
As has been said to each their own.
Gabe

Can you post pics of your setup.... preferably showing contrast, so not everything gets lost in a sea of black...

quickean · 17th December 2007, 00:25

Hmmmmm... I may be doing some more playing around. I thought I remember trying to do what you just described and it not working. Put a couple pics up if you don't mind.

Quote: (Originally Posted by divingabe)

I have the same reg on my Copiis, turning the reg 90 degrees towards the can, there was no need for elbows on the O2 hoses whether low or high pressure. You may have to rotate the tank slightly in order to clear the regulator body from the can. Then both the high pressure and the manual add low pressure can be routed through your wing slots and the constant feed line can be routed up to the head on the exterior, it will bow out slightly but not enough to be a snagging hazord.
I also agree with Ron the least amount of failure point especiallly on the O2 side is certainly desirable.
As has been said to each their own.
Gabe

Lancer4545 · 17th December 2007, 10:16

Hi,

I can understand you wanting to tidy your hoses, I think just about everyone of us has at some point!!

After a bit of discussion I came up with a manifold to tidy up the dil side and allow the addition of off board gas to it. As for the O2 side I have fitted DS4s to my Meg and didn't have any trouble with the hose routing and can't really see why there is any need for the elbows either. They do make them sit a little better but considering the cost and that you have made it a lot more complex than necessary I think you're better off without them.

Regards,

Lance

Manifold 029s.jpg

manifold 035s.jpg

mempilot · 17th December 2007, 12:21

Lance,

Can you spec which hose is going to what off your gas block based on your picture above? Thanks.

Eric

15th December 2007, 20:19	#2 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,081	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels have you considered how many more o rings you added to that precious oxygen side? 9 or more? better practice that BOOM drill. I might think about what I gained versus those added O rings, 1/2 inch of clearance? Why not flip the reg over or cant it out a touch and lose all those swivels? or does that reg not have an HP port on the flip side? Change it for one that does? Just a thought... __________________ Ron "Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you different, is selling something", The Dread Pirate Wesley. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. Last edited by RonMicjan : 15th December 2007 at 20:21.
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15th December 2007, 21:25	#3 (permalink)
quickean Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 124	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels The only way to cant the O2 cylinder is to rotate the reg 90 degrees which points the hoses straight out to the side. There are two options - you can either use adaptos, which I did, or bend the hoses upwards. I didn't like the bend the hoses option because inflating the wing torks one of the hoses. Hard to explain - easier to see in person. Also one of the hoses in this configuration gets in the way of manipulating the O2 valve handle a little bit. I suppose buying a new reg is a third option, but then I'd have the expense of buying it and then would have to convert it to work for the COPIS. Good points, but I don't mind the added o-rings - although I'm sure some people would. This was the easiest way to configure it how I wanted. Why cant the cylinders in the first place? Because I find them to be a pain to put on when they are straight due to the low clearance of the shadow gear. Love the shadow gear though. Last edited by quickean : 15th December 2007 at 21:28.
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16th December 2007, 09:24	#4 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Menton, France Posts: 608	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels Hi, I don't understand why you'd want to do that. O2 hose routing on mine is perfect using the reg in the same fashion as your dil reg. Valve is clear, no wing problem. On the dil side, you could use the parts of a Sherwood shadow + octo to distribute to both ADV and BC inflator or do the same with a Y-block from M&J. Best Philippe
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16th December 2007, 20:38	#5 (permalink)
quickean Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 124	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels You must have a different reg.
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16th December 2007, 21:31	#6 (permalink)
divingabe New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sag Harbor Posts: 72	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels I have the same reg on my Copiis, turning the reg 90 degrees towards the can, there was no need for elbows on the O2 hoses whether low or high pressure. You may have to rotate the tank slightly in order to clear the regulator body from the can. Then both the high pressure and the manual add low pressure can be routed through your wing slots and the constant feed line can be routed up to the head on the exterior, it will bow out slightly but not enough to be a snagging hazord. I also agree with Ron the least amount of failure point especiallly on the O2 side is certainly desirable. As has been said to each their own. Gabe
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16th December 2007, 23:40	#7 (permalink)
netmage Hello Kitty...... Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 320	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels Quote: (Originally Posted by divingabe) I have the same reg on my Copiis, turning the reg 90 degrees towards the can, there was no need for elbows on the O2 hoses whether low or high pressure. You may have to rotate the tank slightly in order to clear the regulator body from the can. Then both the high pressure and the manual add low pressure can be routed through your wing slots and the constant feed line can be routed up to the head on the exterior, it will bow out slightly but not enough to be a snagging hazord. I also agree with Ron the least amount of failure point especiallly on the O2 side is certainly desirable. As has been said to each their own. Gabe Can you post pics of your setup.... preferably showing contrast, so not everything gets lost in a sea of black...
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17th December 2007, 00:25	#8 (permalink)
quickean Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 124	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels Hmmmmm... I may be doing some more playing around. I thought I remember trying to do what you just described and it not working. Put a couple pics up if you don't mind. Quote: (Originally Posted by divingabe) I have the same reg on my Copiis, turning the reg 90 degrees towards the can, there was no need for elbows on the O2 hoses whether low or high pressure. You may have to rotate the tank slightly in order to clear the regulator body from the can. Then both the high pressure and the manual add low pressure can be routed through your wing slots and the constant feed line can be routed up to the head on the exterior, it will bow out slightly but not enough to be a snagging hazord. I also agree with Ron the least amount of failure point especiallly on the O2 side is certainly desirable. As has been said to each their own. Gabe
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17th December 2007, 10:16	#9 (permalink)
Lancer4545 Closed Circuit Divers Aus Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cairns QLD Australia Posts: 529	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels Hi, I can understand you wanting to tidy your hoses, I think just about everyone of us has at some point!! After a bit of discussion I came up with a manifold to tidy up the dil side and allow the addition of off board gas to it. As for the O2 side I have fitted DS4s to my Meg and didn't have any trouble with the hose routing and can't really see why there is any need for the elbows either. They do make them sit a little better but considering the cost and that you have made it a lot more complex than necessary I think you're better off without them. Regards, Lance Manifold 029s.jpg manifold 035s.jpg __________________ You can run but you can't hide! ISC Appointed Megalodon Dealer for East Australia http://www.closedcircuitdivers.com.au info@closedcircuitdivers.com.au
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17th December 2007, 12:21	#10 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,093	Re: Shadow gear/M&J swivels Lance, Can you spec which hose is going to what off your gas block based on your picture above? Thanks. Eric __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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