Lights Out

Drmike · 17th November 2007, 01:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

There is a design fault in the switch that allows the magnet to fall out causing loss of power

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

No

Didnt Gilles report that the magnets can move out ....and if it does it will cause loss of power. So whats 'No' about that?
If the design allows the magnet to move out then its clearly a flawed design. If the glue is known to fail - dont use glue! design a glue free holder

If users are breaking the magnet out through normal use, if you are aware of the potential for users to break it out during use then so is the mnf. isnt it better to fix the potential problem at source and make the design more robust?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Both secondary and life supporting primary have same design fault in their switch (seeing as both switches are same design)

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

No

In the meg design both primary and secondary battery boxes are the same - Ergo both share the potential for loss of power due to the way the magnets are held, so whats 'No' about that?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Hmmm, to me thats a little more than a 'little problem'

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

No

I regard potential fault that turns off my life support system without warning as a serious fault - but maybe im just yella

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

if one can fall out then both can fall out....if on the same dive it might be deadly at worse or mean you cant see any ppo2 display at best

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

No

Both battery boxes are same design Ergo if one can fail in this way so can the other and if primary falls out and you dont realise it could be deadly, so whats 'No' about that?

**Steve** · 17th November 2007, 07:04

Mike, neither magnet can fall out whilst in use. It can be assembled incorrectly if it is broken by the diver. The lack of power to the magnet...reed...system is apparent on startup.

Is that clear enough for you?

Drmike · 17th November 2007, 12:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

Mike, neither magnet can fall out whilst in use. It can be assembled incorrectly if it is broken by the diver. The lack of power to the magnet...reed...system is apparent on startup.

Is that clear enough for you?

clear enough for me...and I dont even dive a meg.....Gilles, who does, apears a little less clear though

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...tml#post150113

as in his reply hes clearly implying it could be the cause of this incident of the handset turning of during the dive - suggesting therefore that the fault may not be obviuous pre dive......perhaps hes not clear

Gilles · 17th November 2007, 14:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

clear enough for me...and I dont even dive a meg.....Gilles, who does, apears a little less clear though

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...tml#post150113

as in his reply hes clearly implying it could be the cause of this incident of the handset turning of during the dive - suggesting therefore that the fault may not be obviuous pre dive......perhaps hes not clear

I've never had the reed fall out during a dive, but it does come out sometimes during battery dis-assembly. I felt it could've been the cause of Patrick's problems.

I'm not very defensive about Meg. She's not perfect, and has some faults. IMO the sensor carriage design, unprotected leads to sensors, and kinda heavy.

Other than that, I dunno if there's another breather that woulda survived me for the last 2 years without any factory repair. Mine still works, but it's becoming time now for an upgrade and repairs. I don't think it could survive another plane ride in a soft bag.

denismc66 · 2nd December 2007, 00:39

Patrick Just wondering if the source of the problem was ever identified or what did ISC have to say?
Denis

Mark Chase · 2nd December 2007, 03:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles)

I'm not very defensive about Meg. She's not perfect, and has some faults. IMO the sensor carriage design, unprotected leads to sensors, and kinda heavy.

Other than that, I dunno if there's another breather that woulda survived me for the last 2 years without any factory repair. Mine still works, but it's becoming time now for an upgrade and repairs. I don't think it could survive another plane ride in a soft bag.

Try a KISS

I have to say if i lived in a place where logisticly it was dificult to send a unit for repair id just get a KISS type unit.

I dont know any one who has ever sent one of those back for repair

ATB

Mark

Mephisto26 · 2nd December 2007, 15:26

I should know more about it on Monday...

I'll let you guys know then...

Cheers,
Patrick

tommiblom · 2nd December 2007, 16:09

Hello Bro,

Hope u get ur head back soon so we can go to do some kick ass diving together !!! Hope u enjoyed ur breakfast

Cheers "stuntman Tommi"

17th November 2007, 01:18	#21 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Lights Out Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) There is a design fault in the switch that allows the magnet to fall out causing loss of power Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) No Didnt Gilles report that the magnets can move out ....and if it does it will cause loss of power. So whats 'No' about that? If the design allows the magnet to move out then its clearly a flawed design. If the glue is known to fail - dont use glue! design a glue free holder If users are breaking the magnet out through normal use, if you are aware of the potential for users to break it out during use then so is the mnf. isnt it better to fix the potential problem at source and make the design more robust? Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Both secondary and life supporting primary have same design fault in their switch (seeing as both switches are same design) Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) No In the meg design both primary and secondary battery boxes are the same - Ergo both share the potential for loss of power due to the way the magnets are held, so whats 'No' about that? Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Hmmm, to me thats a little more than a 'little problem' Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) No I regard potential fault that turns off my life support system without warning as a serious fault - but maybe im just yella Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) if one can fall out then both can fall out....if on the same dive it might be deadly at worse or mean you cant see any ppo2 display at best Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) No Both battery boxes are same design Ergo if one can fail in this way so can the other and if primary falls out and you dont realise it could be deadly, so whats 'No' about that? __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you Last edited by Drmike : 17th November 2007 at 01:22.
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17th November 2007, 07:04	#22 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,041	Re: Lights Out Mike, neither magnet can fall out whilst in use. It can be assembled incorrectly if it is broken by the diver. The lack of power to the magnet...reed...system is apparent on startup. Is that clear enough for you? __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types. Last edited by Steve : 17th November 2007 at 07:10.
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17th November 2007, 12:03	#23 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Lights Out Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) Mike, neither magnet can fall out whilst in use. It can be assembled incorrectly if it is broken by the diver. The lack of power to the magnet...reed...system is apparent on startup. Is that clear enough for you? clear enough for me...and I dont even dive a meg.....Gilles, who does, apears a little less clear though http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...tml#post150113 as in his reply hes clearly implying it could be the cause of this incident of the handset turning of during the dive - suggesting therefore that the fault may not be obviuous pre dive......perhaps hes not clear __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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17th November 2007, 14:43	#24 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 761	Re: Lights Out Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) clear enough for me...and I dont even dive a meg.....Gilles, who does, apears a little less clear though http://www.rebreatherworld.com/megal...tml#post150113 as in his reply hes clearly implying it could be the cause of this incident of the handset turning of during the dive - suggesting therefore that the fault may not be obviuous pre dive......perhaps hes not clear I've never had the reed fall out during a dive, but it does come out sometimes during battery dis-assembly. I felt it could've been the cause of Patrick's problems. I'm not very defensive about Meg. She's not perfect, and has some faults. IMO the sensor carriage design, unprotected leads to sensors, and kinda heavy. Other than that, I dunno if there's another breather that woulda survived me for the last 2 years without any factory repair. Mine still works, but it's becoming time now for an upgrade and repairs. I don't think it could survive another plane ride in a soft bag. __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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2nd December 2007, 00:39	#25 (permalink)
denismc66 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 15	Re: Lights Out Patrick Just wondering if the source of the problem was ever identified or what did ISC have to say? Denis
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2nd December 2007, 03:05	#26 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,410	Re: Lights Out Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles) I'm not very defensive about Meg. She's not perfect, and has some faults. IMO the sensor carriage design, unprotected leads to sensors, and kinda heavy. Other than that, I dunno if there's another breather that woulda survived me for the last 2 years without any factory repair. Mine still works, but it's becoming time now for an upgrade and repairs. I don't think it could survive another plane ride in a soft bag. Try a KISS I have to say if i lived in a place where logisticly it was dificult to send a unit for repair id just get a KISS type unit. I dont know any one who has ever sent one of those back for repair ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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2nd December 2007, 15:26	#27 (permalink)
Mephisto26 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen Q.Roo Mexico Posts: 79	Re: Lights Out I should know more about it on Monday... I'll let you guys know then... Cheers, Patrick
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2nd December 2007, 16:09	#28 (permalink)
tommiblom New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Burn in Nokia´s fire, Finland Posts: 42	Re: Lights Out Hello Bro, Hope u get ur head back soon so we can go to do some kick ass diving together !!! Hope u enjoyed ur breakfast Cheers "stuntman Tommi"
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