My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!!

Outlaw · 29th October 2007, 19:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by fin)

The T bar looks great, I hope its not so heavy. I will be very happy to read impressions on pelagian bov performance.

PS was the color the only reason you changed long tanks? how come you didn't change it?

Safe dives! (πατριωτακι)

Thanks mate! well, the colour was a big point, and also i like those catalina cylinders so i had to find a way to intall them. the way i see it is that i can take the cylinders with me in the car, or on boat, and not carry boosters, or need portable compressor. The T Bar is very good. not heavy at all. is very strong and easier to carry the meg in and out of the car. i tend to carry my unit set and not set it at the site.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Fun Under Pressure)

Hi Spyrus,

in one picture i see stage tanks in the background. Why not use an inflator hose on the 1st stage. When you need bailout plumb in from the stage tank´s. I use Ali 80 for my dive´s. When the inboard o2 stage or the soleonid failt´s i plumb into the o2 manuall inflator on the CL. Same way for diluent site. Thanks for the time to upload the pic´s.

Cheers Markku

Markuu hi,

i hope you are well. i always have inflator hoses on all my stage cylinders that i carry with me. i have 3 stages ready for my dives. one full of o2, one 50% and one dil. all regs have inflator hoses just in case. the reason is as you say, when i need, or when a buddy runs out, to plumb the inflator into the lung.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

Whereas I would recomend having the BOV plumbed to onboard gas and using it as a transition to the actual bailout. The actual bailout will have a 2nd stage on it for others and I'd prefer to be on that 2nd stage if the fan had a brown hue.

I have issues with the recent change of name for an OC DSV to BOV as it implies that it is a panacea for bailout to newer divers. I firmly see it as a transition only. YMMV.

My only comment for your setup Spyros is with regard to the top weight. Is it more stable and comfortable there than when split into 2 an placed in the pockets at the top of your counterlungs? I prefer the weight located there....

I also tend to use the BOV as a transition. off course, bail out is supposed to mean the stage tank. but i have it connected to my BoV after the experience i had with the one i posted here last time. i believe that once something goes wrong, either gases, either throw up due to an unexplained reason, is not that easy to remove the DSV, close it off course, and then pick up the reg from the stage at your side. i have been through there and i've had a substantial amount of water in my scrubber after that. i came to the conclusion to take a couple of breaths without leaving the DSV/BOV from my mouth and then go safely on the stage/bail out tank.

as far as the weights, i previously had the longer tanks and had a pocket where i used to put the weights on each tank pocket. i will try this set up and let you know next weekend.

Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby)

Hey Spyros,
I'm new at this stuff but I'm thinking in a scenario as you described needing to use the inboard O2 through the BOV you could use the existing O2 manual add QC hose and not need the extra QC O2 hose coming off the Y block. If that works you may be able to get rid of one hose.
I agree with you, the bungied OMS wing is overkill for the meg.
Thanks for taking the time to post this.
Tibby

Tibby, thanks for the comments. i thought about this, but i guess i had to have a way to be able to give some o2 to a buddy if for some reason he needed some. is not that bad to have a Yblock, therefore, i put it. if i had a QC, then if someone else needed some o2 then he could use some only if he had some QC on his unit. the wing is good, but not the best for the meg. as i said, i am expecting the one from halcyon.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Hi Spyros,

I agree with the two comments above, especially if you are going to use your wing for buoyancy beware of breathing down all your diluent.

I would also lose the toggle off the wing dump valve, they can get entangled and that can mean all your gas just dumps right out of the wing.

Just a small knot in it should give you enough fingertip purchase to operate it when necessary.

Cheers,

Dave.

Dave, thanks a lot for your comments. i always dive in a dry suit and have a suit inflation tank. i never use the wing during diving. only on the surface, after the dive. therefore i guess i minimize that risk. i really liked the advice about the knob. this is what i was after. some tip top advice. this one i really like and i will adjust appopriately.

Thanks.

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Have you tried the ford flow - namely routing your hoses through the cam band strap gaps - will make hose routing on the Meg much neater.

Also threading the hoses through bicyle inner tube helps too.

Stuart

Stuart, my friend! (and guardian parts angel

)

i tried passing some hose via the wing holes, but then they tend to be longer. when ordered from Markku, i took those measurements. i also use some bicycle inner tube. but smaller versions....i guess i need to get some...

I' ll probably be in the UK next week...does Rebreather World store sell any?

Quote: (Originally Posted by womble)

I agree.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane)

Hello Spyros,

I personally would feed the BOV from the bailout tank, not from the inboard.
Breathing from a 3l tank at depth is a (not so funny) joke. As it feeds also your wing, you will end very fast with an empty tank: nothing to breathe, nothing to bring you back to the surface.
As I don't dive a Meg, I can't tell you more about your configuration.

you are right about breathing at depth. i keep thinking about it. i still lean towards having the BOV as a transition as said earlier. once i catch my breath i would go on bail out. if i run out of inboard, i would plumb the inflator hose i mentioned earlier.

thanks to all for taking part. really appreciate it.

Take care.

Outlaw · 2nd December 2007, 15:02

Hello guys,

First, thanks to everybody who threw in some comments or some advice. i have changed the set up again.

i know. but i have been playing along with how the set up should be best set, and i think this will be the final outcome. (never say never

)

i have been requested from a member to take some pictures of the BOV and the HUD attachment, so here are the pics.

i have taken shots from different angles so one can compare the size (with my hand) (no, i am not a giant!)

also, i had to remove one clamp from the right hose, so i used only one one on each side.

hope these help.

Spyros

DSC00053.JPG

DSC00054.JPG
DSC00055.JPG
DSC00056.JPG
DSC00057.JPG
DSC00058.JPG

tibby · 2nd December 2007, 16:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Outlaw)

Hello guys,

First, thanks to everybody who threw in some comments or some advice. i have changed the set up again.

i know. but i have been playing along with how the set up should be best set, and i think this will be the final outcome. (never say never

)

i have been requested from a member to take some pictures of the BOV and the HUD attachment, so here are the pics.

i have taken shots from different angles so one can compare the size (with my hand) (no, i am not a giant!)

also, i had to remove one clamp from the right hose, so i used only one one on each side.

hope these help.

Spyros

Nice Dude! Thanks for the pics. Way smaller than other BOVs out there. How's the breathing on it? I'm thinking of getting one.
Tibby

**Fun Under Pressure** · 3rd December 2007, 00:22

Hi Spyros,

thanks for the pics. NIce necband, good idea. I think i want do it on this way too. If it is ok for you.

Cheers Markku

Outlaw · 4th December 2007, 18:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Fun Under Pressure)

Hi Spyros,

thanks for the pics. NIce necband, good idea. I think i want do it on this way too. If it is ok for you.

Cheers Markku

hey Markku,

i hope you are ok mate. off course you can do the same. to be honest that actuall neckband belonged to Cedric Verdier.

i am sure he wouldn't mind either, as he hasn't registered a legal patent

i suggest you try it. i think you'll like it a lot.very easy to put on and off and easy to adjust. am still waiting for your paypal account mate.

Thanks.

Spyros

Outlaw · 5th December 2007, 11:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

Cool!

One thought for you.

I noticed you have a molded mouthpiece.

Try to remove it from the BOV and put it in your mouth as normal and breathe through it.

Then, do the same with for example the Ambient Pressure mouthpiece.

If your molded moutpiece works as the one I had, you will find that the part of the mouth further towards the throat constricts (due to the biting of the teeth on the rear section of the molded mouthpiece).

With the Ambient Pressure mouthpiece which has bigger bites for the front teeth, if you try the same you will find that the airway is much more clear and open (no restriction towards the back of the mouth).

Maybe it is my mouth, but I think these molded mouthpieces cause a massive increase in WOB (but it is not so obvious until you focus on it).

Just a thought!

wow...you are creating puzzles in my head now...although i never thought about such a thing, never felt anything, i'll try and investigate just to clear the thoughts in my mind...

you have succesfully managed to create havoc in my mind about this now...
(just when you think everything is perferct, you make new friends ...

)

Thanks alot. i'll let you know.

Spyros

Outlaw · 5th December 2007, 12:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

Nothing is ever perfect... how about inverting the bottles for better trim (not my idea... you know where this comes from...).

Well, I have an Evolution so I got of my shares of problems to deal with re: "perfecting" the unit.

I am pretty sure that if you bring the jaw forward and the mouth stays more open WOB is a lot less than if the teeth are clinched together (particularly the rear ones).

thanks mate. i went that mouthpiece because i realised that because i used the UV-26 a lot, it was better to avoid or lesser the strain on the chin. you could get a better grip on the mouthpiece.

but i'll try and see.

regarding tanks, i got some goodies from Jakub (golem gear) and i am setting the unit during the weekend. some more fotos are on the way ones everything is set up.

Thanks.

Spyros

kmev · 5th December 2007, 15:31

I had a Narked at 90 stand on my meg and I never considered the handle to be an entanglement hazard. What I didn't like about it was that it didn't allow me to tilt my head back enough when swimming in a good horizontal position. It was worse than the manifold on a set of doubles and uncomfortable enough that I sold the stand.

Gilles · 6th December 2007, 03:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Outlaw)

also, i had to remove one clamp from the right hose, so i used only one one on each side.

Spyros;

Be careful with that because another purpose of that extra RH clamp is to secure the mushroom valve on that side. Don't engineer yourself a CO2 hit.

G

Outlaw · 8th December 2007, 11:10

Hey guys,

thanks for your responces. i have removed the T-bar, though i think is a good piece of kit, if you have your tanks the old fashioned way (valves at the bottom). now that i have turned my tanks upright, i i have removed it. i dont think you could get caught anywhere, on the contrary, it could serve as a way to control hoses going over the harness.

regarding the clamp, Gilles. i know and thank you very much for pointing this out to me. you are right on that one, but i am using the Pelagian Bov. its different from the traditional ISC DSV. on the ISC DSV that valves come apart very easily, while on the pelagian BOV they are inserted and need some force to remove them. i have tried but i dont' think they would come out.

Thanks for pointing it out though.

Cheers all

Spyros.

P.S i have made some new setup and i will be posting some photos soon.

29th October 2007, 19:05	#11 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by fin) The T bar looks great, I hope its not so heavy. I will be very happy to read impressions on pelagian bov performance. PS was the color the only reason you changed long tanks? how come you didn't change it? Safe dives! (πατριωτακι) Thanks mate! well, the colour was a big point, and also i like those catalina cylinders so i had to find a way to intall them. the way i see it is that i can take the cylinders with me in the car, or on boat, and not carry boosters, or need portable compressor. The T Bar is very good. not heavy at all. is very strong and easier to carry the meg in and out of the car. i tend to carry my unit set and not set it at the site. Quote: (Originally Posted by Fun Under Pressure) Hi Spyrus, in one picture i see stage tanks in the background. Why not use an inflator hose on the 1st stage. When you need bailout plumb in from the stage tank´s. I use Ali 80 for my dive´s. When the inboard o2 stage or the soleonid failt´s i plumb into the o2 manuall inflator on the CL. Same way for diluent site. Thanks for the time to upload the pic´s. Cheers Markku Markuu hi, i hope you are well. i always have inflator hoses on all my stage cylinders that i carry with me. i have 3 stages ready for my dives. one full of o2, one 50% and one dil. all regs have inflator hoses just in case. the reason is as you say, when i need, or when a buddy runs out, to plumb the inflator into the lung. Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) Whereas I would recomend having the BOV plumbed to onboard gas and using it as a transition to the actual bailout. The actual bailout will have a 2nd stage on it for others and I'd prefer to be on that 2nd stage if the fan had a brown hue. I have issues with the recent change of name for an OC DSV to BOV as it implies that it is a panacea for bailout to newer divers. I firmly see it as a transition only. YMMV. My only comment for your setup Spyros is with regard to the top weight. Is it more stable and comfortable there than when split into 2 an placed in the pockets at the top of your counterlungs? I prefer the weight located there.... I also tend to use the BOV as a transition. off course, bail out is supposed to mean the stage tank. but i have it connected to my BoV after the experience i had with the one i posted here last time. i believe that once something goes wrong, either gases, either throw up due to an unexplained reason, is not that easy to remove the DSV, close it off course, and then pick up the reg from the stage at your side. i have been through there and i've had a substantial amount of water in my scrubber after that. i came to the conclusion to take a couple of breaths without leaving the DSV/BOV from my mouth and then go safely on the stage/bail out tank. as far as the weights, i previously had the longer tanks and had a pocket where i used to put the weights on each tank pocket. i will try this set up and let you know next weekend. Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby) Hey Spyros, I'm new at this stuff but I'm thinking in a scenario as you described needing to use the inboard O2 through the BOV you could use the existing O2 manual add QC hose and not need the extra QC O2 hose coming off the Y block. If that works you may be able to get rid of one hose. I agree with you, the bungied OMS wing is overkill for the meg. Thanks for taking the time to post this. Tibby Tibby, thanks for the comments. i thought about this, but i guess i had to have a way to be able to give some o2 to a buddy if for some reason he needed some. is not that bad to have a Yblock, therefore, i put it. if i had a QC, then if someone else needed some o2 then he could use some only if he had some QC on his unit. the wing is good, but not the best for the meg. as i said, i am expecting the one from halcyon. Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Hi Spyros, I agree with the two comments above, especially if you are going to use your wing for buoyancy beware of breathing down all your diluent. I would also lose the toggle off the wing dump valve, they can get entangled and that can mean all your gas just dumps right out of the wing. Just a small knot in it should give you enough fingertip purchase to operate it when necessary. Cheers, Dave. Dave, thanks a lot for your comments. i always dive in a dry suit and have a suit inflation tank. i never use the wing during diving. only on the surface, after the dive. therefore i guess i minimize that risk. i really liked the advice about the knob. this is what i was after. some tip top advice. this one i really like and i will adjust appopriately. Thanks. Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Have you tried the ford flow - namely routing your hoses through the cam band strap gaps - will make hose routing on the Meg much neater. Also threading the hoses through bicyle inner tube helps too. Stuart Stuart, my friend! (and guardian parts angel ) i tried passing some hose via the wing holes, but then they tend to be longer. when ordered from Markku, i took those measurements. i also use some bicycle inner tube. but smaller versions....i guess i need to get some... I' ll probably be in the UK next week...does Rebreather World store sell any? Quote: (Originally Posted by womble) I agree. Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane) Hello Spyros, I personally would feed the BOV from the bailout tank, not from the inboard. Breathing from a 3l tank at depth is a (not so funny) joke. As it feeds also your wing, you will end very fast with an empty tank: nothing to breathe, nothing to bring you back to the surface. As I don't dive a Meg, I can't tell you more about your configuration. you are right about breathing at depth. i keep thinking about it. i still lean towards having the BOV as a transition as said earlier. once i catch my breath i would go on bail out. if i run out of inboard, i would plumb the inflator hose i mentioned earlier. thanks to all for taking part. really appreciate it. Take care. __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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2nd December 2007, 15:02	#12 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Hello guys, First, thanks to everybody who threw in some comments or some advice. i have changed the set up again. i know. but i have been playing along with how the set up should be best set, and i think this will be the final outcome. (never say never ) i have been requested from a member to take some pictures of the BOV and the HUD attachment, so here are the pics. i have taken shots from different angles so one can compare the size (with my hand) (no, i am not a giant!) also, i had to remove one clamp from the right hose, so i used only one one on each side. hope these help. Spyros DSC00053.JPG DSC00054.JPG DSC00055.JPG DSC00056.JPG DSC00057.JPG DSC00058.JPG __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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2nd December 2007, 16:19	#13 (permalink)
tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 327	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Outlaw) Hello guys, First, thanks to everybody who threw in some comments or some advice. i have changed the set up again. i know. but i have been playing along with how the set up should be best set, and i think this will be the final outcome. (never say never ) i have been requested from a member to take some pictures of the BOV and the HUD attachment, so here are the pics. i have taken shots from different angles so one can compare the size (with my hand) (no, i am not a giant!) also, i had to remove one clamp from the right hose, so i used only one one on each side. hope these help. Spyros Nice Dude! Thanks for the pics. Way smaller than other BOVs out there. How's the breathing on it? I'm thinking of getting one. Tibby __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm
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3rd December 2007, 00:22	#14 (permalink)
Fun Under Pressure Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 579	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Hi Spyros, thanks for the pics. NIce necband, good idea. I think i want do it on this way too. If it is ok for you. Cheers Markku
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4th December 2007, 18:58	#15 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Fun Under Pressure) Hi Spyros, thanks for the pics. NIce necband, good idea. I think i want do it on this way too. If it is ok for you. Cheers Markku hey Markku, i hope you are ok mate. off course you can do the same. to be honest that actuall neckband belonged to Cedric Verdier. i am sure he wouldn't mind either, as he hasn't registered a legal patent i suggest you try it. i think you'll like it a lot.very easy to put on and off and easy to adjust. am still waiting for your paypal account mate. Thanks. Spyros __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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5th December 2007, 11:49	#16 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) Cool! One thought for you. I noticed you have a molded mouthpiece. Try to remove it from the BOV and put it in your mouth as normal and breathe through it. Then, do the same with for example the Ambient Pressure mouthpiece. If your molded moutpiece works as the one I had, you will find that the part of the mouth further towards the throat constricts (due to the biting of the teeth on the rear section of the molded mouthpiece). With the Ambient Pressure mouthpiece which has bigger bites for the front teeth, if you try the same you will find that the airway is much more clear and open (no restriction towards the back of the mouth). Maybe it is my mouth, but I think these molded mouthpieces cause a massive increase in WOB (but it is not so obvious until you focus on it). Just a thought! wow...you are creating puzzles in my head now...although i never thought about such a thing, never felt anything, i'll try and investigate just to clear the thoughts in my mind... you have succesfully managed to create havoc in my mind about this now... (just when you think everything is perferct, you make new friends ... ) Thanks alot. i'll let you know. Spyros __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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5th December 2007, 12:31	#17 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) Nothing is ever perfect... how about inverting the bottles for better trim (not my idea... you know where this comes from...). Well, I have an Evolution so I got of my shares of problems to deal with re: "perfecting" the unit. I am pretty sure that if you bring the jaw forward and the mouth stays more open WOB is a lot less than if the teeth are clinched together (particularly the rear ones). thanks mate. i went that mouthpiece because i realised that because i used the UV-26 a lot, it was better to avoid or lesser the strain on the chin. you could get a better grip on the mouthpiece. but i'll try and see. regarding tanks, i got some goodies from Jakub (golem gear) and i am setting the unit during the weekend. some more fotos are on the way ones everything is set up. Thanks. Spyros __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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5th December 2007, 15:31	#18 (permalink)
kmev New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 40	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! I had a Narked at 90 stand on my meg and I never considered the handle to be an entanglement hazard. What I didn't like about it was that it didn't allow me to tilt my head back enough when swimming in a good horizontal position. It was worse than the manifold on a set of doubles and uncomfortable enough that I sold the stand.
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6th December 2007, 03:43	#19 (permalink)
Gilles Worship the feminine Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Den Haag (Netherlands) Posts: 761	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Outlaw) also, i had to remove one clamp from the right hose, so i used only one one on each side. Spyros; Be careful with that because another purpose of that extra RH clamp is to secure the mushroom valve on that side. Don't engineer yourself a CO2 hit. G __________________ Gilles http://www.dirrebreather.com
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8th December 2007, 11:10	#20 (permalink)
Outlaw In search of Law breaking Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cyprus, Nicosia Posts: 626	Re: My Meg setup - Info - comments - Advice welcomed!!! Hey guys, thanks for your responces. i have removed the T-bar, though i think is a good piece of kit, if you have your tanks the old fashioned way (valves at the bottom). now that i have turned my tanks upright, i i have removed it. i dont think you could get caught anywhere, on the contrary, it could serve as a way to control hoses going over the harness. regarding the clamp, Gilles. i know and thank you very much for pointing this out to me. you are right on that one, but i am using the Pelagian Bov. its different from the traditional ISC DSV. on the ISC DSV that valves come apart very easily, while on the pelagian BOV they are inserted and need some force to remove them. i have tried but i dont' think they would come out. Thanks for pointing it out though. Cheers all Spyros. P.S i have made some new setup and i will be posting some photos soon. __________________ CMAS - IANTD - TDI Kamikazi Instrustor Trainer DIRRebreather Team Member ---------------------------- "Once an Outlaw, always an Outlaw"
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