Thinking of buying a Copis Meg

louisrankin · 10th July 2007, 19:52

Mempilot

http://www.rebreather.ca/products.htm $2500

If I did not have a hammerhead I would seriously consider that option I think Phi has converted his Meg already.

Gill why do you have to calibrate each time it's turned on?

mountain diver

I originally wanted to buy a Meg but alas no one replied to my email so I bought a Classic Kiss. It has served me very well, it is nearly 4 years old and I think the time is right for a change I have already fitted a Hammerhead to it. I did a dive on Sunday with some Meg divers who were one of the first UK Classic kiss owners so I had a good chat about the pros and cons of the Meg. Also the main reason my wife is pregnant

and if I don’t buy myself a new Rebreather now it is not going to happen for a very long time.

Louis

decoweenie · 10th July 2007, 20:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin)

...I think Phi has converted his Meg already.

Louis,

Yes, I bought my Meg used and it came with the original Smithers electronics (only Nitrox and Imperial units) so I had it converted to the Shearwater controller.

I took it on a week-long live-aboard trip in South China Sea, and have been diving it every week-end.

I also converted a YBOD-Classic lid to Shearwater controller as well.

I am awaiting some custom-machined parts to simplify the sensor placement lay-out of the original Meg lid, as well as reverse the flow. So I might make another lid and get another Shearwater controller for it.

So I might end up with 3 Shearwater controllers soon...

I swear, these CCRs have a nasty habit of multiplying by themselves... I keep selling my old units and more kept appearing before you realize what happened...

PS: Louis, congratulations BTW!

**RichClark** · 10th July 2007, 20:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I swear, these CCRs have a nasty habit of multiplying by themselves... I keep selling my old units and more kept appearing before you realize what happened...

What have I told you Phi, don't fill your scrubbers after midnight

**Gill Envy** · 10th July 2007, 22:27

I believe that the GF, eCCR version is $2500 (installed, I think). the copis version (the same GF, but without the wiring for the solenoid as part of the cable) is $1,300, hard wired (you install, or send in). if you want it with a fisher connector so that you can remove the handset, then it's $1500 total (you install, or send in). the HUD is $700. The installation of the shearwater to the Copis is somewhat involved, a bit daunting at first for first timer like me, but Bruce can walk you through it. I'm planning on putting together a step by step manual for it, having Bruce look it over and offering it up on Rebreather World and or the shearwater web site so people like me can do the install with a little more confidence.

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

Gill,

Do you know what the cost of the Shearwater GF is for a Meg? I've been dinking with the idea.

MEM

**Gill Envy** · 10th July 2007, 22:41

Gill why do you have to calibrate each time it's turned on?

The stock handset is just a po2 meter, no computer. Extremely simple...a very solid unit, intended for recreational diving...but still able to handle the rigors of north west shore diving. the downside to that simplicity is that it lacks the computer to hold the callibration between dives. I basically wanted everything in an eCCR minus the set point controller, so I got a copis and the shearwater GF and HUD, removed the stock handset battery, unplugged it from the sensors, but have left everything in place as a back up, ready to plug in if the GF and or HUD goes to hell on a trip. If any one of the three systems malfunctions, I can use the other two and continue happily diving, even beyond recreational limits on a trip. if the cable of the stock handset were not glued in place i'd probably fit a fisher connector inside the head and make it so i can port plug and remove the stock handset... and reinstall in the field only if needed. For folks who have never experienced a major show stopper malfunction in the field, this may sound like overkill. those who have will better understand the wisdom of this configuration.

Between the two of us we will probably even go a step further and purchase a third Shearwater for back up deco, but fisher enabled, keeping the wiring in the "save a trip" kit, enabling us to even do a complete rewire if need be.

did I answer your question

**Monkey** · 10th July 2007, 23:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

Gill why do you have to calibrate each time it's turned on?

The stock handset is just a po2 meter, no computer. Extremely simple...a very solid unit, intended for recreational diving...but still able to handle the rigors of north west shore diving. the downside to that simplicity is that it lacks the computer to hold the callibration between dives. I basically wanted everything in an eCCR minus the set point controller, so I got a copis and the shearwater GF and HUD, removed the stock handset battery, unplugged it from the sensors, but have left everything in place as a back up, ready to plug in if the GF and or HUD goes to hell on a trip. If any one of the three systems malfunctions, I can use the other two and continue happily diving, even beyond recreational limits on a trip. if the cable of the stock handset were not glued in place i'd probably fit a fisher connector inside the head and make it so i can port plug and remove the stock handset... and reinstall in the field only if needed. For folks who have never experienced a major show stopper malfunction in the field, this may sound like overkill. those who have will better understand the wisdom of this configuration.

Between the two of us we will probably even go a step further and purchase a third Shearwater for back up deco, but fisher enabled, keeping the wiring in the "save a trip" kit, enabling us to even do a complete rewire if need be.

did I answer your question

Fisher inside the head???? great Idea... I was able to remove the glue by hand inside my COPIS head to facilitate the Delta-P URM install... If I shifted the connector to the inside .. I could switch out to a back up in 10 minutes.....

Yessic · 10th July 2007, 23:41

[quote=decoweenie;125487] Yes, I bought my Meg used and.... have been diving it every week-end....

quote]

So does that mean that your Meg is your primary over your Kiss?

Yessic

**Gill Envy** · 11th July 2007, 00:37

let us know how that goes.

Quote: (Originally Posted by dartagnansmith)

Fisher inside the head???? great Idea... I was able to remove the glue by hand inside my COPIS head to facilitate the Delta-P URM install... If I shifted the connector to the inside .. I could switch out to a back up in 10 minutes.....

quickean · 11th July 2007, 02:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

This is one of the reasons that several people have started with a COPIS as a starting point to get to a HammerMeg.

M

ISC is developing a COPIS HUD.

**Monkey** · 11th July 2007, 02:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by quickean)

ISC is developing a COPIS HUD.

you could find your self waiting along time..... just ask the people in line for the APECS 3.0 electronics......

10th July 2007, 19:52	#11 (permalink)
louisrankin Póg mo thóin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 301	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg Mempilot http://www.rebreather.ca/products.htm $2500 If I did not have a hammerhead I would seriously consider that option I think Phi has converted his Meg already. Gill why do you have to calibrate each time it's turned on? mountain diver I originally wanted to buy a Meg but alas no one replied to my email so I bought a Classic Kiss. It has served me very well, it is nearly 4 years old and I think the time is right for a change I have already fitted a Hammerhead to it. I did a dive on Sunday with some Meg divers who were one of the first UK Classic kiss owners so I had a good chat about the pros and cons of the Meg. Also the main reason my wife is pregnant and if I don’t buy myself a new Rebreather now it is not going to happen for a very long time. Louis Last edited by louisrankin : 10th July 2007 at 19:56.
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10th July 2007, 20:15	#12 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin) ...I think Phi has converted his Meg already. Louis, Yes, I bought my Meg used and it came with the original Smithers electronics (only Nitrox and Imperial units) so I had it converted to the Shearwater controller. I took it on a week-long live-aboard trip in South China Sea, and have been diving it every week-end. I also converted a YBOD-Classic lid to Shearwater controller as well. I am awaiting some custom-machined parts to simplify the sensor placement lay-out of the original Meg lid, as well as reverse the flow. So I might make another lid and get another Shearwater controller for it. So I might end up with 3 Shearwater controllers soon... I swear, these CCRs have a nasty habit of multiplying by themselves... I keep selling my old units and more kept appearing before you realize what happened... PS: Louis, congratulations BTW! __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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10th July 2007, 20:19	#13 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 759	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I swear, these CCRs have a nasty habit of multiplying by themselves... I keep selling my old units and more kept appearing before you realize what happened... What have I told you Phi, don't fill your scrubbers after midnight __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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10th July 2007, 22:27	#14 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,226	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg I believe that the GF, eCCR version is $2500 (installed, I think). the copis version (the same GF, but without the wiring for the solenoid as part of the cable) is $1,300, hard wired (you install, or send in). if you want it with a fisher connector so that you can remove the handset, then it's $1500 total (you install, or send in). the HUD is $700. The installation of the shearwater to the Copis is somewhat involved, a bit daunting at first for first timer like me, but Bruce can walk you through it. I'm planning on putting together a step by step manual for it, having Bruce look it over and offering it up on Rebreather World and or the shearwater web site so people like me can do the install with a little more confidence. Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) Gill, Do you know what the cost of the Shearwater GF is for a Meg? I've been dinking with the idea. MEM __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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10th July 2007, 22:41	#15 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,226	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg Gill why do you have to calibrate each time it's turned on? The stock handset is just a po2 meter, no computer. Extremely simple...a very solid unit, intended for recreational diving...but still able to handle the rigors of north west shore diving. the downside to that simplicity is that it lacks the computer to hold the callibration between dives. I basically wanted everything in an eCCR minus the set point controller, so I got a copis and the shearwater GF and HUD, removed the stock handset battery, unplugged it from the sensors, but have left everything in place as a back up, ready to plug in if the GF and or HUD goes to hell on a trip. If any one of the three systems malfunctions, I can use the other two and continue happily diving, even beyond recreational limits on a trip. if the cable of the stock handset were not glued in place i'd probably fit a fisher connector inside the head and make it so i can port plug and remove the stock handset... and reinstall in the field only if needed. For folks who have never experienced a major show stopper malfunction in the field, this may sound like overkill. those who have will better understand the wisdom of this configuration. Between the two of us we will probably even go a step further and purchase a third Shearwater for back up deco, but fisher enabled, keeping the wiring in the "save a trip" kit, enabling us to even do a complete rewire if need be. did I answer your question __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 10th July 2007 at 22:53.
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10th July 2007, 23:41	#16 (permalink)
Monkey Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lauderdale By The Sea Florida Posts: 331	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) Gill why do you have to calibrate each time it's turned on? The stock handset is just a po2 meter, no computer. Extremely simple...a very solid unit, intended for recreational diving...but still able to handle the rigors of north west shore diving. the downside to that simplicity is that it lacks the computer to hold the callibration between dives. I basically wanted everything in an eCCR minus the set point controller, so I got a copis and the shearwater GF and HUD, removed the stock handset battery, unplugged it from the sensors, but have left everything in place as a back up, ready to plug in if the GF and or HUD goes to hell on a trip. If any one of the three systems malfunctions, I can use the other two and continue happily diving, even beyond recreational limits on a trip. if the cable of the stock handset were not glued in place i'd probably fit a fisher connector inside the head and make it so i can port plug and remove the stock handset... and reinstall in the field only if needed. For folks who have never experienced a major show stopper malfunction in the field, this may sound like overkill. those who have will better understand the wisdom of this configuration. Between the two of us we will probably even go a step further and purchase a third Shearwater for back up deco, but fisher enabled, keeping the wiring in the "save a trip" kit, enabling us to even do a complete rewire if need be. did I answer your question Fisher inside the head???? great Idea... I was able to remove the glue by hand inside my COPIS head to facilitate the Delta-P URM install... If I shifted the connector to the inside .. I could switch out to a back up in 10 minutes.....
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10th July 2007, 23:41	#17 (permalink)
Yessic New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 17	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg [quote=decoweenie;125487] Yes, I bought my Meg used and.... have been diving it every week-end.... quote] So does that mean that your Meg is your primary over your Kiss? Yessic
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11th July 2007, 00:37	#18 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,226	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg let us know how that goes. Quote: (Originally Posted by dartagnansmith) Fisher inside the head???? great Idea... I was able to remove the glue by hand inside my COPIS head to facilitate the Delta-P URM install... If I shifted the connector to the inside .. I could switch out to a back up in 10 minutes..... __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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11th July 2007, 02:19	#19 (permalink)
quickean Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 124	Re: Thinking of buying a Copis Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) This is one of the reasons that several people have started with a COPIS as a starting point to get to a HammerMeg. M ISC is developing a COPIS HUD.
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