!!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario.

PacketSniffer · 7th November 2007, 15:53

I will say that if one is not careful about having the regulator pressurized while having the system in the water, you stand a good chance of getting water in the solenoid once it is pressurized. If salt water, expect some nice corrosion. The solenoid can easily be taken apart and cleaned though. I speak from experience. In my case, I'm not sure exactly how water got in but I'm certain it was user error at some point because it hasn't happened again. I caught it though when I was doing my prep (part of the procedure) a few days before some dives. When I powered up, I didn't hear the solenoid run its three tests. That alerted me to something being wrong. It was found to be stuck closed due to corrosion inside the solenoid's cylinder. I'm very happy to have a product that I can service myself if the need arises. It can be a trip saver on a boat or in very remote destinations.

Take care of your gear and it will take care of you.

tibby · 7th November 2007, 16:03

Has anyone tried an inline filter of sorts? Would something like that help keep the moisture and impurities away from the solenoid?
tibby

Joe · 7th November 2007, 17:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby)

Has anyone tried an inline filter of sorts? Would something like that help keep the moisture and impurities away from the solenoid?
tibby

ISC has added one. It is a scintered filter (Apeks 1st stage) in front of a spring placed in the inlet. I don't know for sure but I doubt it would keep water out.

**Gill Envy** · 7th November 2007, 19:55

decided to just get rid of the solenoid altogether...works like a charm.

g

Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby)

Has anyone tried an inline filter of sorts? Would something like that help keep the moisture and impurities away from the solenoid?
tibby

PaulTG2 · 7th November 2007, 20:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

decided to just get rid of the solenoid altogether...works like a charm.

g

I imagine you go through O2 pretty quickly without the solenoid to regulate the flow.

-p

tibby · 7th November 2007, 22:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe)

ISC has added one. It is a scintered filter (Apeks 1st stage) in front of a spring placed in the inlet. I don't know for sure but I doubt it would keep water out.

I see, I mean a real filter like the Apollo Biofilter or something.
Tibby

Joe · 7th November 2007, 22:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby)

Hmmm, did I miss this on my meg, it's a pretty new unit? I'll check when I get home. I don't remember this being brought up during training.
Tibby

This is a *very* new feature. If your unit does not have it (mine does not - Leon mentioned he was going to it and i saw it at DEMA) you can buy one and put it in. It is a fairly simple add on.

Quote:

I see, I mean a real filter like the Apollo Biofilter or something.

ROFL....you edit too fast for me. No, it is just a cheesy scintered filter but it would do the job keeping debris out.

tibby · 7th November 2007, 22:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe)

This is a *very* new feature. If your unit does not have it (mine does not - Leon mentioned he was going to it and i saw it at DEMA) you can buy one and put it in. It is a fairly simple add on.

Thanks, I'll look into it. I edited my post thinking it's just the brass filter in the inlet of the first stage which would be in most regulators.
Tibby

tibby · 7th November 2007, 22:18

OK, I'll step away from the keyboard before anybody gets hurt.

Joe · 7th November 2007, 22:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby)

Thanks, I'll look into it. I edited my post thinking it's just the brass filter in the inlet of the first stage which would be in most regulators.
Tibby

It fits between the female QD on the head and the 90 deg elbow. It isn't obvious so you may have one and not realize it.

7th November 2007, 15:53	#21 (permalink)
PacketSniffer ~~~~~ #417 ~~~~~ Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 411	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. I will say that if one is not careful about having the regulator pressurized while having the system in the water, you stand a good chance of getting water in the solenoid once it is pressurized. If salt water, expect some nice corrosion. The solenoid can easily be taken apart and cleaned though. I speak from experience. In my case, I'm not sure exactly how water got in but I'm certain it was user error at some point because it hasn't happened again. I caught it though when I was doing my prep (part of the procedure) a few days before some dives. When I powered up, I didn't hear the solenoid run its three tests. That alerted me to something being wrong. It was found to be stuck closed due to corrosion inside the solenoid's cylinder. I'm very happy to have a product that I can service myself if the need arises. It can be a trip saver on a boat or in very remote destinations. Take care of your gear and it will take care of you. __________________ Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checked by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory or defeat.
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tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 327	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Has anyone tried an inline filter of sorts? Would something like that help keep the moisture and impurities away from the solenoid? tibby __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm
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7th November 2007, 17:12	#23 (permalink)
Joe Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 240	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby) Has anyone tried an inline filter of sorts? Would something like that help keep the moisture and impurities away from the solenoid? tibby ISC has added one. It is a scintered filter (Apeks 1st stage) in front of a spring placed in the inlet. I don't know for sure but I doubt it would keep water out. Last edited by Joe : 7th November 2007 at 20:04.
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7th November 2007, 19:55	#24 (permalink)
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PaulTG2 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 327	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) decided to just get rid of the solenoid altogether...works like a charm. g I imagine you go through O2 pretty quickly without the solenoid to regulate the flow. -p
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7th November 2007, 22:06	#26 (permalink)
tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 327	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe) ISC has added one. It is a scintered filter (Apeks 1st stage) in front of a spring placed in the inlet. I don't know for sure but I doubt it would keep water out. I see, I mean a real filter like the Apollo Biofilter or something. Tibby __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm Last edited by tibby : 7th November 2007 at 22:10.
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Joe Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 240	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby) Hmmm, did I miss this on my meg, it's a pretty new unit? I'll check when I get home. I don't remember this being brought up during training. Tibby This is a very new feature. If your unit does not have it (mine does not - Leon mentioned he was going to it and i saw it at DEMA) you can buy one and put it in. It is a fairly simple add on. Quote: I see, I mean a real filter like the Apollo Biofilter or something. ROFL....you edit too fast for me. No, it is just a cheesy scintered filter but it would do the job keeping debris out. Last edited by Joe : 7th November 2007 at 22:15.
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7th November 2007, 22:16	#28 (permalink)
tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 327	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe) This is a very new feature. If your unit does not have it (mine does not - Leon mentioned he was going to it and i saw it at DEMA) you can buy one and put it in. It is a fairly simple add on. Thanks, I'll look into it. I edited my post thinking it's just the brass filter in the inlet of the first stage which would be in most regulators. Tibby __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm
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tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 327	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. OK, I'll step away from the keyboard before anybody gets hurt. __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm
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Joe Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 240	Re: !!!WARNING!!! Solenoid stuck open scenario. Quote: (Originally Posted by tibby) Thanks, I'll look into it. I edited my post thinking it's just the brass filter in the inlet of the first stage which would be in most regulators. Tibby It fits between the female QD on the head and the 90 deg elbow. It isn't obvious so you may have one and not realize it.
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