Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics)

**Chett.L** · 16th June 2008, 23:25

I would like to know, will the (WOB) be easier on the Kiss Classic with over the shoulder counterlungs then back mount conterlungs, if so how much % ?

brockbr · 16th June 2008, 23:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by ChettL)

I would like to know, will the (WOB) be easier on the Kiss Classic with over the shoulder counterlungs then back mount conterlungs, if so how much % ?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH,
You, my friend, have hit on THE reason for the project.

There are many elements associated with WOB, with just 1 being location.

The purpose of this project is to have a **simple** way of demonstrating the pro's and con's of EACH configuration.

Now - You might be thinking "why would a person do that for his own personal use?". The answer is, he wouldn't do it for his own "personal" use. Once he found a configuration he liked, that's what he'd use. But this ISN'T for my own personal use

brockbr · 16th June 2008, 23:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by fredrik)

Wating for "More pics to come."

How will you block the normal counter lung connections?

Not sure yet, but I've emailed some people "in-the-know" about how to do it

brockbr · 16th June 2008, 23:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy Del)

Well, it looks nice, but can you elaborate on the reasons for doing this? (You mention in the opening post there are reasons... I just can't think of any)

cheers

Andy

I have a friend who specifically wants a way to demonstrate back mounted lungs versus over the shoulder WITHOUT changing the rest of the rebreather for academic purposes.

For me, it means that I get to play with my tools (and hopefully not go blind

) - I end up with a working prototype that I can choose the counter lung location that best suits me.

Personally, I like the idea of the OTS CL's and being able to get water out of the system.

(yes, it's on my dime, but I'm having fun

)

**Chett.L** · 17th June 2008, 00:02

I then drilled and relief cut it to clear the back mount counter lungs:

Then I got ready to place the 6" outer tube. This serves the dual purpose of protecting the head and scrubber and adding weight to the frame:

Then I TIG'd the tube in place, along with the side supports:

For the cylinder mounts, I really liked the Northern Divers mounting system, which are used on some Megs. I got a set, and then "Modified" them (don't watch if you don't like carnage

)

I cut the ends off because they wouldn't be needed for this build.
To keep things simple, I welded thread stainless to the tube - This let me mount the cylinder mounts without interfering with the inside of the tube, which already have VERY minimal clearances around the scrubber:

This setup allows you to remove the cylinders or scrubber independently - A HUGE help when you are just reloading sorb, or need a fill.

And the completed setup:

I dive the Prism Topaz, and find the work of breathing “Incredibly Great” do to the Radial Scubber and over the shoulder conterlungs. The fact that you have modify your Kiss, interests me because I here some many excellent things about the Kiss and how they work. Please let us how the project turns out. Do you know if others that have done this change over to the Cunterlungs on a Kiss ?

**Dave1w** · 17th June 2008, 03:54

Did Phi (Decoweenie) try this at some point? or maybe someone else?
Dave

**vidodivr** · 17th June 2008, 04:19

HERE
Ron (Deep Thought) wore his setup during my class and it was pretty cool.
I also saw some pics on here a while back of Mel (Scubagrunt) wearing the mod, but can't find it.

Pawel Szopinski · 17th June 2008, 09:59

"How to make my KISS look like a Meg"

decoweenie · 17th June 2008, 12:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave1w)

Did Phi (Decoweenie) try this at some point?

Yes, did that 5-6 (?) years ago when I was still diving the KISS. Personally, I like the BMCL much better.

Someone asked about blocking the holes for BMCL coming from scrubber head ? I still have 2 Delrin plugs made to do that (still lying in the dive room). Just make them the same threads as the Jetsam CL parts with same o-ring location.

Scubascooby · 17th June 2008, 12:59

I think I mentioned this before.

Has anyone ever tried connecting the hoses to the BMCL's ? The MSR bags wouldn't be suitable but the head towers wouldn't be needed and any water in the hoses could be drained into the CL's.

I don't know what effect it would have on WOB.

16th June 2008, 23:25	#11 (permalink)
Chett.L Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: LOS ANGELES Posts: 460	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) I would like to know, will the (WOB) be easier on the Kiss Classic with over the shoulder counterlungs then back mount conterlungs, if so how much % ? __________________ Chett. L
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16th June 2008, 23:31	#12 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 338	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) Quote: (Originally Posted by ChettL) I would like to know, will the (WOB) be easier on the Kiss Classic with over the shoulder counterlungs then back mount conterlungs, if so how much % ? AHHHHHHHHHHHHH, You, my friend, have hit on THE reason for the project. There are many elements associated with WOB, with just 1 being location. The purpose of this project is to have a simple way of demonstrating the pro's and con's of EACH configuration. Now - You might be thinking "why would a person do that for his own personal use?". The answer is, he wouldn't do it for his own "personal" use. Once he found a configuration he liked, that's what he'd use. But this ISN'T for my own personal use __________________ iDeco - iPhone Decompression Planning - FREE!!! iPhoneDeco.com
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16th June 2008, 23:33	#13 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 338	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) Quote: (Originally Posted by fredrik) Wating for "More pics to come." How will you block the normal counter lung connections? Not sure yet, but I've emailed some people "in-the-know" about how to do it __________________ iDeco - iPhone Decompression Planning - FREE!!! iPhoneDeco.com
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16th June 2008, 23:37	#14 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 338	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy Del) Well, it looks nice, but can you elaborate on the reasons for doing this? (You mention in the opening post there are reasons... I just can't think of any) cheers Andy I have a friend who specifically wants a way to demonstrate back mounted lungs versus over the shoulder WITHOUT changing the rest of the rebreather for academic purposes. For me, it means that I get to play with my tools (and hopefully not go blind ) - I end up with a working prototype that I can choose the counter lung location that best suits me. Personally, I like the idea of the OTS CL's and being able to get water out of the system. (yes, it's on my dime, but I'm having fun ) __________________ iDeco - iPhone Decompression Planning - FREE!!! iPhoneDeco.com
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17th June 2008, 00:02	#15 (permalink)
Chett.L Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: LOS ANGELES Posts: 460	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) I then drilled and relief cut it to clear the back mount counter lungs: Then I got ready to place the 6" outer tube. This serves the dual purpose of protecting the head and scrubber and adding weight to the frame: Then I TIG'd the tube in place, along with the side supports: For the cylinder mounts, I really liked the Northern Divers mounting system, which are used on some Megs. I got a set, and then "Modified" them (don't watch if you don't like carnage ) I cut the ends off because they wouldn't be needed for this build. To keep things simple, I welded thread stainless to the tube - This let me mount the cylinder mounts without interfering with the inside of the tube, which already have VERY minimal clearances around the scrubber: This setup allows you to remove the cylinders or scrubber independently - A HUGE help when you are just reloading sorb, or need a fill. And the completed setup: I dive the Prism Topaz, and find the work of breathing “Incredibly Great” do to the Radial Scubber and over the shoulder conterlungs. The fact that you have modify your Kiss, interests me because I here some many excellent things about the Kiss and how they work. Please let us how the project turns out. Do you know if others that have done this change over to the Cunterlungs on a Kiss ? __________________ Chett. L
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17th June 2008, 03:54	#16 (permalink)
Dave1w Born Again Diver! Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore / UK Posts: 397	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) Did Phi (Decoweenie) try this at some point? or maybe someone else? Dave __________________ This message may contain spelling mistakes as it was generated by an idiot.
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17th June 2008, 04:19	#17 (permalink)
vidodivr swims in fishes toilets Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Florida/Michigan Posts: 522	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) HERE Ron (Deep Thought) wore his setup during my class and it was pretty cool. I also saw some pics on here a while back of Mel (Scubagrunt) wearing the mod, but can't find it. __________________ Have a good one, Rob LaLonde Rec and Tek Media, Inc. Full Service Film and Video Production CK #087, Narked@90 stand, URM
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17th June 2008, 09:59	#18 (permalink)
Pawel Szopinski RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 141	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) "How to make my KISS look like a Meg" __________________ "It's better to live one hour as a tiger than a whole lifetime as a worm." The Cat
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17th June 2008, 12:52	#19 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave1w) Did Phi (Decoweenie) try this at some point? Yes, did that 5-6 (?) years ago when I was still diving the KISS. Personally, I like the BMCL much better. Someone asked about blocking the holes for BMCL coming from scrubber head ? I still have 2 Delrin plugs made to do that (still lying in the dive room). Just make them the same threads as the Jetsam CL parts with same o-ring location. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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17th June 2008, 12:59	#20 (permalink)
Scubascooby Better Off Out of the EU Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Great Britain Posts: 421	Re: Over the Shoulder KISS - Convertible - Projects (pics) I think I mentioned this before. Has anyone ever tried connecting the hoses to the BMCL's ? The MSR bags wouldn't be suitable but the head towers wouldn't be needed and any water in the hoses could be drained into the CL's. I don't know what effect it would have on WOB. __________________ "dove" is NOT the past tense of "dive" Better off OUT of the EU ! www.hugsac.org.uk
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