Has anyone replaced the DIL manifold feed?

Ben Field

The Mares Adapter plate is $55 I believe, have sourced a Reg in the UK, less to ship and pay VAT on at customs (scum sucking tax men ) also means I can take it back to the LDS is it screws up and get it fixed under warranty.

Saw it at the dive show too, certainly is a timely upgrade.

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Scubascooby

I did a manifold swap to a UNF one because I didn't like the multiple adapters
to connect with Swagelock, couldn't get the hose into the position I wanted and couldn't stop it leaking.


What model is the second stage you have for the new BOV adapter ?

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Peter Piemonte

[quote=Ben Field;94852]I went down this route with the SK, see- http://www.rebreatherworld.com/class...html#post49579

Not sure it was so well thought out in hindsight....... (see the comments)

All you need to add offboard dil is a BOV fed from offboard.

You need to have the- "how many eggs in one basket debate" with yourself!

If you run everything through a manifold and it or any of the many hoses has a problem, you have a problem. Running just wing and ADV is minimalist but reduced the failure points to a minimum (if you believe that'll make a difference)

BOV should (many might say) be fed from the larger offboard tank, mix chosen for the depth obviously and the suit fed from a suit bottle or offboard as well (the suit being pluggable by design anyway, you can swap with the wing feed if required, so long as your suit and wing feeds match ala DIR )

Therefore you have-
Dual/redundant DIL feed- ADV and BOV (open breath in, close breath out into loop etc)
Dual/redundant Suit and Wing feeds (each other but from two sources)
Voluminous BOV supply- offboard pluggable/handoffable tank


Ben: This was why I elected to go without the manifold. The failure of one part can cause you to lose all DIL systems. I run my drysuit from an offboard bottle. Not a fan of unplugging and replugging hoses underwater. If I go to the BOV it will only be temporary. If nessesary, I will just switch out to an offboard bottle and solve the problem or bail out. Especially when diving deep. Then, I would prefer to be on a high performance reg, not the Paragon BOV.
I recently purchased the Mares upgrade from Jetsam, but have not had a chance to dive it yet.
Peter

Dave Crampton

Er if your asking me?? Its the original Paragon reg. Its very clean and loks unused. I tried it when I firt took the KISS for a trydive but the breathing was a little wet. I'm not sure if this was do to lack of service. I recently relubed the BOV as the knob was stiff when transfering from the loop to the regulator. I'm interested in the Mares but might have the Paragon serviced as its only a stopgap until I bail out to an offboard reg. I've not had a chance to use it regularly as I'm on the course in march and havne't dived it since the initial purchase.

Philippe GERIN

Indeed. Remember to detune the Proton a bit or it could free-flow if you have your first stage set @ around 9.5-10 bars (mine is DS4).
Best
Philippe

RAL

Pull hard on that reg at depth & you may be quite surprized how much water it may let in. It is a poorly constucted cheap pos. Get the mares upgrade. I would not trust the paragon to perform as it should when the elephant shows up unexpectedly.


RAL

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Ben Field

WRT Servicing the Paragon in the UK- good luck, I tried and failed to find someone who'd do it but to be honest it'll be no great loss to change.... a Mcdonalds straw full of wet putty breaths better.

The guts come from a Micra reg I believe, if that helps...

BEN

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Dave Crampton

Thanks Ral and Ben,

I hadn't realised the service kits were that hard to get hold of. I might source a Marss reg locally like Ben. What is the model sold in the UK? I've found the Proton range on the Mares website but I'm not sure of the model which would fit the DSV.

Dave C

RobPot

They're not - I have two kits sitting in my spares box. Chris at Tech Blue will be able to sort them out for you.
Also check the KISS list - some time ago (at least 12-18 months) there was an extremely helpful post about how to strip and service the thing yourself (from Brian I think).

RAL

Dave its not that the service kits for the Paragon are hard to get. Its not worth the effort, rebuild a Yugo you still have a Yugo.


RAL

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