KISS Handsets - Max Depth?

gathan · 22nd November 2006, 12:12

I have a CK with about 200Hrs on it and unlike a few here, I have had no serious problems with the second generation handsets since I bought the unit.

I know that some have taken their unit deeper than it's max recommended depth, myself included (95M). Has anyone taken their unit much deeper than this, while using the stock second generation handsets? If so, did you experience any water ingress or other problem? I'm just curious and would like to get an idea of the effective and realistic max working depth that these babies can put up it.

Andre Fortin

decoweenie · 22nd November 2006, 12:39

I dived the CK to 115-120m, the SK to 92m. But neither with the cable gland type connectors.

The CK was with the original hollow hose that is at ambient. And the SK was with the same, but having epoxy on both ends of the hoses.

Gordon tried the epoxy method for a short while (i.e. few units) before deciding that it was too much work for each display, and went to the current sealed gland.

***Decodiver*** · 22nd November 2006, 14:47

Rick Stanton went to -180m on A KISS in St Sauveur mid 2005 AFAIK.

Maybe Duncan Price can help, try PMing him he is a member on here as Duncan Price.

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/membe...can-price.html

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

decoweenie · 22nd November 2006, 14:54

Knowing Rick, I would make a judicious guess that it was the original hollow tube connection.

It works very well since it is all at ambient, except when it is time to change the inner electrical cable or the hollow tube, it is a major PITA to push the tube back onto the brass barb.

It is an irrelevant point since only the latest sealed connector is available from Jetsam...

decoweenie · 22nd November 2006, 18:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

It is an irrelevant point since only the latest sealed connector is available from Jetsam...

Kim just posted on the KISS list that Jetsam is looking into offering the Delta-P 3 cell display in the future. This could be as soon as the end of the year...

Most likely that it won't affect the current prices of the units.

***Decodiver*** · 22nd November 2006, 18:41

I just spoke to Kim on the phone about ordering a new Classic for myself and the Delta-P triple display will be at no extra cost.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

decoweenie · 22nd November 2006, 18:45

Is this similar to the Boris secondary display (i.e. VR-3 housing with 3 x LCD meters inside) ?

lizardland · 22nd November 2006, 19:08

Is this as a replacement for the displays or are they putting it on as a secondary?

decoweenie · 22nd November 2006, 19:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Is this as a replacement for the displays or are they putting it on as a secondary?

Replacement.

***Decodiver*** · 22nd November 2006, 20:50

Phi, As you said basically the Boris secondary put on the KISS as a primary.

Later to follow will be a Breakout Box running a VR3 for Deco and a HUD.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

22nd November 2006, 12:12	#1 (permalink)
gathan MixedGas Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tottenham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 194	KISS Handsets - Max Depth? I have a CK with about 200Hrs on it and unlike a few here, I have had no serious problems with the second generation handsets since I bought the unit. I know that some have taken their unit deeper than it's max recommended depth, myself included (95M). Has anyone taken their unit much deeper than this, while using the stock second generation handsets? If so, did you experience any water ingress or other problem? I'm just curious and would like to get an idea of the effective and realistic max working depth that these babies can put up it. Andre Fortin Last edited by gathan : 22nd November 2006 at 12:46.
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22nd November 2006, 12:39	#2 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? I dived the CK to 115-120m, the SK to 92m. But neither with the cable gland type connectors. The CK was with the original hollow hose that is at ambient. And the SK was with the same, but having epoxy on both ends of the hoses. Gordon tried the epoxy method for a short while (i.e. few units) before deciding that it was too much work for each display, and went to the current sealed gland. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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22nd November 2006, 14:47	#3 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,202	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Rick Stanton went to -180m on A KISS in St Sauveur mid 2005 AFAIK. Maybe Duncan Price can help, try PMing him he is a member on here as Duncan Price. http://www.rebreatherworld.com/membe...can-price.html Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 22nd November 2006 at 14:54.
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22nd November 2006, 14:54	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Knowing Rick, I would make a judicious guess that it was the original hollow tube connection. It works very well since it is all at ambient, except when it is time to change the inner electrical cable or the hollow tube, it is a major PITA to push the tube back onto the brass barb. It is an irrelevant point since only the latest sealed connector is available from Jetsam... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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22nd November 2006, 18:38	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) It is an irrelevant point since only the latest sealed connector is available from Jetsam... Kim just posted on the KISS list that Jetsam is looking into offering the Delta-P 3 cell display in the future. This could be as soon as the end of the year... Most likely that it won't affect the current prices of the units. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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22nd November 2006, 18:41	#6 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,202	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? I just spoke to Kim on the phone about ordering a new Classic for myself and the Delta-P triple display will be at no extra cost. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Is this similar to the Boris secondary display (i.e. VR-3 housing with 3 x LCD meters inside) ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,417	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Is this as a replacement for the displays or are they putting it on as a secondary? __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Is this as a replacement for the displays or are they putting it on as a secondary? Replacement. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,202	Re: KISS Handsets - Max Depth? Phi, As you said basically the Boris secondary put on the KISS as a primary. Later to follow will be a Breakout Box running a VR3 for Deco and a HUD. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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