KISS DSV mouthpieces

Andy M · 31st May 2005, 11:42

Had a little oopsie yesterday while I was diving. My KISS DSV came apart from my mouthpiece. luckily there was only a minor flood so I was able to go back on the loop.

I prefer heat moulded dental mouthpieces to the run of the mill ones otherwise there is too much jaw strain. Mine is a seacure - seems I may have the wrong size to fit the KISS DSV. I think it is a type II.

On the second dive of the day, the mouthpiece came off the DSV again as I jumped into the water from the boat. Clearly there is a lot of strain on the mouthpiece/DSV joint when there is heavy current or a stride entry. I need to sort this out.

Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions?

Thanks

Andy

***EBT*** · 31st May 2005, 11:52

Andy,

I've used the Jax orthodontic one since about 4 weeks after getting my KISS.

To get a decent seal, I aquasured it to the DSV, then cable tied on top.

So far, its worked an absolute treat.

/Zak

pchanning · 31st May 2005, 12:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M)

Had a little oopsie yesterday while I was diving. My KISS DSV came apart from my mouthpiece. luckily there was only a minor flood so I was able to go back on the loop.

I prefer heat moulded dental mouthpieces to the run of the mill ones otherwise there is too much jaw strain. Mine is a seacure - seems I may have the wrong size to fit the KISS DSV. I think it is a type II.

On the second dive of the day, the mouthpiece came off the DSV again as I jumped into the water from the boat. Clearly there is a lot of strain on the mouthpiece/DSV joint when there is heavy current or a stride entry. I need to sort this out.

Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions?

Thanks

Andy

Hi Andy,

I got around the issue by cable-tying a rubber reg necklace either side of the OC/CC DSV, taking up the slack on the back (another cable tie) and pulling it over my head.

Its easy to get off using the 'tail' at the back, theres no stress on mouthpiece, no jaw fatigue, DSV stays in, protected airway. Its a winner.

Of course you could buy one from AP but that'll cost you a cool £54..!!

HTH

cheers

paul channing

Sue · 31st May 2005, 15:49

Andy

I've also replaced the Kiss mouthpiece for a Seacure (Type II as well).
Have already made three dives with it and it fits well, no problems at all. Is the plastic tie well tighten?

Sue

cys · 31st May 2005, 19:19

I use a Pro II seacure on my KISS. The pro is a little heavier construction. Hasn't come off yet but it has the tendency to leak if I look up (strain issue I guess). I like the aquaseal idea. I am going to give that a go.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M)

Had a little oopsie yesterday while I was diving. My KISS DSV came apart from my mouthpiece. luckily there was only a minor flood so I was able to go back on the loop.

I prefer heat moulded dental mouthpieces to the run of the mill ones otherwise there is too much jaw strain. Mine is a seacure - seems I may have the wrong size to fit the KISS DSV. I think it is a type II.

On the second dive of the day, the mouthpiece came off the DSV again as I jumped into the water from the boat. Clearly there is a lot of strain on the mouthpiece/DSV joint when there is heavy current or a stride entry. I need to sort this out.

Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions?

Thanks

Andy

Philippe GERIN · 31st May 2005, 20:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M)

Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions?
Andy

My recommandation would be a standard orthodontic mouth piece (with the little arch such as Apeks, Aqualung...) + a chin rest ==> no leak at the mouth piece, no need to bite and have a clanched jaw and breath between your front teeth, the chin rest does it all. No need for aquaseal, Aquasure or other kind of glue either.
Best
Philippe

**Steve** · 31st May 2005, 21:41

I just dont get it. I have been diving the KISS for a few years now and this has never happened to me. I have tried a fair number of mouthpieces as I searched for the one I like and I didn't ever get a leak. I'm sorry guys but could someone explain how you are getting leaks? Once more for the slow kid.

cys · 31st May 2005, 22:07

Seacure mouthpieces (and maybe orthodontic mouthpieces in general) are relatively inflexible compared to other mouthpieces and so its difficult to induce a fit to a regulator orifice using a zip tie.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

I just dont get it. I have been diving the KISS for a few years now and this has never happened to me. I have tried a fair number of mouthpieces as I searched for the one I like and I didn't ever get a leak. I'm sorry guys but could someone explain how you are getting leaks? Once more for the slow kid.

Rickoz · 1st June 2005, 10:22

I put a Mantabite on straigt after i finished my course & i love it.
Do a google to find what it looks like, i cant seem to remember the web site sorry.

Jamie B · 1st June 2005, 10:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rickoz)

I put a Mantabite on straigt after i finished my course & i love it.
Do a google to find what it looks like, i cant seem to remember the web site sorry.

That will be this one then:

http://www.manta-bite.com/

Very unusual.

JamieB

31st May 2005, 11:42	#1 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 415	KISS DSV mouthpieces Had a little oopsie yesterday while I was diving. My KISS DSV came apart from my mouthpiece. luckily there was only a minor flood so I was able to go back on the loop. I prefer heat moulded dental mouthpieces to the run of the mill ones otherwise there is too much jaw strain. Mine is a seacure - seems I may have the wrong size to fit the KISS DSV. I think it is a type II. On the second dive of the day, the mouthpiece came off the DSV again as I jumped into the water from the boat. Clearly there is a lot of strain on the mouthpiece/DSV joint when there is heavy current or a stride entry. I need to sort this out. Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions? Thanks Andy __________________ Know your PO2 at all times
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31st May 2005, 11:52	#2 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,929	Andy, I've used the Jax orthodontic one since about 4 weeks after getting my KISS. To get a decent seal, I aquasured it to the DSV, then cable tied on top. So far, its worked an absolute treat. /Zak __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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31st May 2005, 12:48	#3 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M) Had a little oopsie yesterday while I was diving. My KISS DSV came apart from my mouthpiece. luckily there was only a minor flood so I was able to go back on the loop. I prefer heat moulded dental mouthpieces to the run of the mill ones otherwise there is too much jaw strain. Mine is a seacure - seems I may have the wrong size to fit the KISS DSV. I think it is a type II. On the second dive of the day, the mouthpiece came off the DSV again as I jumped into the water from the boat. Clearly there is a lot of strain on the mouthpiece/DSV joint when there is heavy current or a stride entry. I need to sort this out. Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions? Thanks Andy Hi Andy, I got around the issue by cable-tying a rubber reg necklace either side of the OC/CC DSV, taking up the slack on the back (another cable tie) and pulling it over my head. Its easy to get off using the 'tail' at the back, theres no stress on mouthpiece, no jaw fatigue, DSV stays in, protected airway. Its a winner. Of course you could buy one from AP but that'll cost you a cool £54..!! HTH cheers paul channing
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31st May 2005, 15:49	#4 (permalink)
Sue Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 161	Andy I've also replaced the Kiss mouthpiece for a Seacure (Type II as well). Have already made three dives with it and it fits well, no problems at all. Is the plastic tie well tighten? Sue
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31st May 2005, 19:19	#5 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 201	I use a Pro II seacure on my KISS. The pro is a little heavier construction. Hasn't come off yet but it has the tendency to leak if I look up (strain issue I guess). I like the aquaseal idea. I am going to give that a go. Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M) Had a little oopsie yesterday while I was diving. My KISS DSV came apart from my mouthpiece. luckily there was only a minor flood so I was able to go back on the loop. I prefer heat moulded dental mouthpieces to the run of the mill ones otherwise there is too much jaw strain. Mine is a seacure - seems I may have the wrong size to fit the KISS DSV. I think it is a type II. On the second dive of the day, the mouthpiece came off the DSV again as I jumped into the water from the boat. Clearly there is a lot of strain on the mouthpiece/DSV joint when there is heavy current or a stride entry. I need to sort this out. Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions? Thanks Andy
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31st May 2005, 20:24	#6 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 633	Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M) Any recommendations for a new mouthpiece, suggestions? Andy My recommandation would be a standard orthodontic mouth piece (with the little arch such as Apeks, Aqualung...) + a chin rest ==> no leak at the mouth piece, no need to bite and have a clanched jaw and breath between your front teeth, the chin rest does it all. No need for aquaseal, Aquasure or other kind of glue either. Best Philippe
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31st May 2005, 21:41	#7 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,100	I just dont get it. I have been diving the KISS for a few years now and this has never happened to me. I have tried a fair number of mouthpieces as I searched for the one I like and I didn't ever get a leak. I'm sorry guys but could someone explain how you are getting leaks? Once more for the slow kid.
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31st May 2005, 22:07	#8 (permalink)
cys ck #157 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: S. California Posts: 201	Seacure mouthpieces (and maybe orthodontic mouthpieces in general) are relatively inflexible compared to other mouthpieces and so its difficult to induce a fit to a regulator orifice using a zip tie. Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) I just dont get it. I have been diving the KISS for a few years now and this has never happened to me. I have tried a fair number of mouthpieces as I searched for the one I like and I didn't ever get a leak. I'm sorry guys but could someone explain how you are getting leaks? Once more for the slow kid.
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1st June 2005, 10:22	#9 (permalink)
Rickoz KISS Rebreather Pilot 109 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 147	I put a Mantabite on straigt after i finished my course & i love it. Do a google to find what it looks like, i cant seem to remember the web site sorry. __________________ Rickoz KISS Rebreather Pilot 109
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1st June 2005, 10:40	#10 (permalink)
Jamie B Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 172	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rickoz) I put a Mantabite on straigt after i finished my course & i love it. Do a google to find what it looks like, i cant seem to remember the web site sorry. That will be this one then: http://www.manta-bite.com/ Very unusual. JamieB
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