Some Questions about Sport KISS

jqn · 28th May 2005, 21:02

I'm seriously looking at getting a Sport KISS. I have a few questions and perhaps some of you can help me.

The unit has a second stage built into the mouthpiece. Does anyone know what the performance limitations of this second stage are?

Has anyone been able to get a feel for the effect of temperature and pressure in the loop on the duration of the scrubber? The 2 1/2 hour limit in the description of the unit is not very precise.

Thanks for the help,

Jerry

Andy Del · 29th May 2005, 06:18

Well, guys areound there here parts say they have breathed OK from it at 80m (is John Wayne week or something

?. I know personally it will work at 72m, using off board dil, and resulting decreased gas flow. It would be my first option for sanity breaths, before going to a seperate second stage and doing a complete OC bailout, if necessary.

What's imprecise about 2 1/2 hours?

***caveseeker7*** · 29th May 2005, 12:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by jqn)

The 2 1/2 hour limit in the description of the unit is not very precise.

How about 150 minutes?

Ken · 29th May 2005, 13:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by jqn)

I'm seriously looking at getting a Sport KISS. I have a few questions and perhaps some of you can help me.

The unit has a second stage built into the mouthpiece. Does anyone know what the performance limitations of this second stage are?

Has anyone been able to get a feel for the effect of temperature and pressure in the loop on the duration of the scrubber? The 2 1/2 hour limit in the description of the unit is not very precise.

Thanks for the help,

Jerry

It'll do the job at depth as mentioned. I have used it at 210' and it'll drain a 13 cu in no time at all. Have sufficient bailout.

2.5 is the conservative number at this point. The two variables you mentioned are just that. Advice is directly related to what you want to do with the unit. It is a recreational unit. If you are thinking of more intense uses I would opt for something a tad more specialized - electronic CCR with the bells and whistles.

decoweenie · 29th May 2005, 16:26

Been in Sharm last 3 weeks to help a CCR trimix course, a few students were trying the OC bail-out red from the DSV at various depths (50-75m), and reported that they found it breaths well.

Remember that it is mainly for "sanity breaths" and give the time (~seconds) to deploy your bottom mix 2nd reg from your stage when diving deep as most people do not carry the bail-out bottom mix in large tank mounted to the unit.

TechBlue · 29th May 2005, 23:07

I just got back from teaching two back to back Sport KISS classes in the St Lawrence both groups were very serious technical and cave divers, everybody found the units extremely intuitive the Paragon reg works well for your "sanity" breaths and and training includes doing just that and going of the loop completely and bailing to a stage. Virtually everybody is heading back and looking to sell their doubles.

Cheers,
Chris

jqn · 30th May 2005, 01:39

techblue, I just spoke with one of your students and he reports as well that the unit is very intuitive. btw he was very happy with the class.

cave seeker and andy del; my earlier sentence referred to what is not precise. Namely, the 2 1/2 hours does not specify under what conditions. On the web site it says 2 1/2 hours in cold water. Since the scrubber duration is a function of a number of factors, I was wondering if anyone knew how each impacts on the 2 1/2 hours. I'm not planning on exceeding this recommendation and I will get proper training before getting the Rebreather, but would like to understand when the 2 1/2 hours is too liberal.

thanks, Jerry

Henry · 30th May 2005, 06:55

I was at the Jetsam factory a few weeks ago and Gordon showed me the new prototype mouth piece. It has a new diaphram which will make the WOB better, the swtich is mounted on top instead of on the bottom, more importantly, it will allow the mounting of any 2nd stage you want!

It will simply replace the old mouth piece by way of the new quick connect. It's very sweet!

buggeriamold · 30th May 2005, 07:08

Quote:

It has a new diaphram which will make the WOB better

Do you mean the flapper valves, or somthing else?

Mark

***caveseeker7*** · 30th May 2005, 08:24

Gordon has been working on the new dsv for a while.
WOB will be better due to changes incl. the flapper valves. Testing so far showed improvements.

Main reason for the new design was the need to mould the dsv, the current one is the only machined part on the Sport Kiss and slowing production.

Once the part is in production, Jetsam can pursue CE testing and certfication.

28th May 2005, 21:02	#1 (permalink)
jqn New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: So. California Posts: 73	Some Questions about Sport KISS I'm seriously looking at getting a Sport KISS. I have a few questions and perhaps some of you can help me. The unit has a second stage built into the mouthpiece. Does anyone know what the performance limitations of this second stage are? Has anyone been able to get a feel for the effect of temperature and pressure in the loop on the duration of the scrubber? The 2 1/2 hour limit in the description of the unit is not very precise. Thanks for the help, Jerry
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29th May 2005, 06:18	#2 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 448	Dsv Well, guys areound there here parts say they have breathed OK from it at 80m (is John Wayne week or something ?. I know personally it will work at 72m, using off board dil, and resulting decreased gas flow. It would be my first option for sanity breaths, before going to a seperate second stage and doing a complete OC bailout, if necessary. What's imprecise about 2 1/2 hours? __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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29th May 2005, 12:36	#3 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,577	Quote: (Originally Posted by jqn) The 2 1/2 hour limit in the description of the unit is not very precise. How about 150 minutes? __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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29th May 2005, 13:39	#4 (permalink)
Ken Team Torrent Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 331	Quote: (Originally Posted by jqn) I'm seriously looking at getting a Sport KISS. I have a few questions and perhaps some of you can help me. The unit has a second stage built into the mouthpiece. Does anyone know what the performance limitations of this second stage are? Has anyone been able to get a feel for the effect of temperature and pressure in the loop on the duration of the scrubber? The 2 1/2 hour limit in the description of the unit is not very precise. Thanks for the help, Jerry It'll do the job at depth as mentioned. I have used it at 210' and it'll drain a 13 cu in no time at all. Have sufficient bailout. 2.5 is the conservative number at this point. The two variables you mentioned are just that. Advice is directly related to what you want to do with the unit. It is a recreational unit. If you are thinking of more intense uses I would opt for something a tad more specialized - electronic CCR with the bells and whistles.
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29th May 2005, 16:26	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,488	Been in Sharm last 3 weeks to help a CCR trimix course, a few students were trying the OC bail-out red from the DSV at various depths (50-75m), and reported that they found it breaths well. Remember that it is mainly for "sanity breaths" and give the time (~seconds) to deploy your bottom mix 2nd reg from your stage when diving deep as most people do not carry the bail-out bottom mix in large tank mounted to the unit.
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29th May 2005, 23:07	#6 (permalink)
TechBlue RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Optima Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Costa del Sol, Spain Posts: 212	I just got back from teaching two back to back Sport KISS classes in the St Lawrence both groups were very serious technical and cave divers, everybody found the units extremely intuitive the Paragon reg works well for your "sanity" breaths and and training includes doing just that and going of the loop completely and bailing to a stage. Virtually everybody is heading back and looking to sell their doubles. Cheers, Chris __________________ Cheers, Chris www.tech-blue.com The site dedicated to Rebreather and Technical diving "We only sell what we dive"
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30th May 2005, 01:39	#7 (permalink)
jqn New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: So. California Posts: 73	techblue, I just spoke with one of your students and he reports as well that the unit is very intuitive. btw he was very happy with the class. cave seeker and andy del; my earlier sentence referred to what is not precise. Namely, the 2 1/2 hours does not specify under what conditions. On the web site it says 2 1/2 hours in cold water. Since the scrubber duration is a function of a number of factors, I was wondering if anyone knew how each impacts on the 2 1/2 hours. I'm not planning on exceeding this recommendation and I will get proper training before getting the Rebreather, but would like to understand when the 2 1/2 hours is too liberal. thanks, Jerry
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30th May 2005, 06:55	#8 (permalink)
Henry New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Canada Posts: 11	I was at the Jetsam factory a few weeks ago and Gordon showed me the new prototype mouth piece. It has a new diaphram which will make the WOB better, the swtich is mounted on top instead of on the bottom, more importantly, it will allow the mounting of any 2nd stage you want! It will simply replace the old mouth piece by way of the new quick connect. It's very sweet!
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30th May 2005, 07:08	#9 (permalink)
buggeriamold Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: australia Posts: 100	Quote: It has a new diaphram which will make the WOB better Do you mean the flapper valves, or somthing else? Mark __________________ Well, it is cheap stuff and it comes almost from the local gardening store, but it works fine and it's very solid. We tried to destroy one by hitting it with a hammer... we succeeded but we really had to hit it hard.
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30th May 2005, 08:24	#10 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,577	Gordon has been working on the new dsv for a while. WOB will be better due to changes incl. the flapper valves. Testing so far showed improvements. Main reason for the new design was the need to mould the dsv, the current one is the only machined part on the Sport Kiss and slowing production. Once the part is in production, Jetsam can pursue CE testing and certfication. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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