Which Cylinders?

lizardland · 27th May 2005, 11:36

3's or 5's... Heisers? Fabers? Roths?

I have a couple of 3L steel Fabers, longer and narrower than the Heisers (I think) that I've seen people use, any reason these won't work when I get my beastie? As many know I am a tight git and don't want to spend more than I have to

Probably need to swap a valve for a left handed one though.

Jamie B · 27th May 2005, 12:01

I use 3 litre Fabers on my classic, main of dumpies and and a spare set of talls.

Prefer the dumpies as they sit level with the unit.

The talls look like rocket launchers!

No experience of Heisers or Roths.

BertieB

***Decodiver*** · 27th May 2005, 12:29

I use both 3 and 2 litre Fabers on my Meg and find them well balanced, also I need about 4 kilos less than with Alis.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Andy Del · 29th May 2005, 01:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

3's or 5's... Heisers? Fabers? Roths?

I have a couple of 3L steel Fabers, longer and narrower than the Heisers (I think) that I've seen people use, any reason these won't work when I get my beastie? As many know I am a tight git and don't want to spend more than I have to

Probably need to swap a valve for a left handed one though.

I've got a Heisler and a Faber on my classic. Both stick up and help with tim by moving a bit of weight towards my head. CBA weighing them, as it works, and was a simpler solution to buying more tanks. Both are identical in diameter, but the ends are slightly different, with the Heisler being more rounded. I'd say just use the Fabers, as long as they hold gas... but you'll need to get a LH (or RH, depending on your point of view) valve for the O2 cylinder.

Mdemon · 30th May 2005, 14:08

I use 6li steels (heisers IIRC). Ex-fire brigade, so come with inverted-ready valves. Trim is spot-on from the word go (Inspo).

(This has two advantages over the standard 3li Inspo tins. 1) Lots of bailout. 2) I've swapped some lead for some more gas.)

lizardland · 30th May 2005, 18:40

Are these the taper thread valve bottles? Any problems with the PTFE tape seals on the neck? The ones I've had it was always hard enough stopping air from leaking never mind helium.

I can get these fairly cheap, including 3's but I'd never really thought of using them. Quite a few I've had never made it past test... so I just stopped testing them

Mdemon · 30th May 2005, 22:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Are these the taper thread valve bottles? Any problems with the PTFE tape seals on the neck? The ones I've had it was always hard enough stopping air from leaking never mind helium.

I can get these fairly cheap, including 3's but I'd never really thought of using them. Quite a few I've had never made it past test... so I just stopped testing them

One (tapered Drager) does gently bubble from round the neck...

The rest are fine. M18 I think, non-tapered...

ROB DAVIE · 31st May 2005, 01:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

One (tapered Drager) does gently bubble from round the neck...

It's the island resort version of a contents gauge. If it stops bubbling, you're out of air!!

Rob

decoweenie · 1st June 2005, 20:14

Stuart,

I have tried almost everything from 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7L steel and aluminum tanks on the Classic-KISS. However, I assume you will be using the Sport-KISS ?

For the SK, I have tried the same 2L and 3L steel tanks.

The 2L steel tanks are the German-version with tapered thread - which you should be able to get for next to nothing as they are in abundant in Germany (if you have a friend there). The 3L steel tanks are the Inspiration tanks.

I wouldn't put anything larger like 5L (or God-forbid, 7L) on the SK since the unit is already wide (but only 4" flat).

Just got back from Sharm where Aaron is using 1.5L aluminum tanks (APV Argon tanks) for all of his diving on the unit in warmwater.

WBA · 1st June 2005, 21:54

How well do the 3L work on the SK?

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Stuart,

I have tried almost everything from 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7L steel and aluminum tanks on the Classic-KISS. However, I assume you will be using the Sport-KISS ?

For the SK, I have tried the same 2L and 3L steel tanks.

The 2L steel tanks are the German-version with tapered thread - which you should be able to get for next to nothing as they are in abundant in Germany (if you have a friend there). The 3L steel tanks are the Inspiration tanks.

I wouldn't put anything larger like 5L (or God-forbid, 7L) on the SK since the unit is already wide (but only 4" flat).

Just got back from Sharm where Aaron is using 1.5L aluminum tanks (APV Argon tanks) for all of his diving on the unit in warmwater.

27th May 2005, 11:36	#1 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,304	Which Cylinders? 3's or 5's... Heisers? Fabers? Roths? I have a couple of 3L steel Fabers, longer and narrower than the Heisers (I think) that I've seen people use, any reason these won't work when I get my beastie? As many know I am a tight git and don't want to spend more than I have to Probably need to swap a valve for a left handed one though.
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27th May 2005, 12:01	#2 (permalink)
Jamie B Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 172	I use 3 litre Fabers on my classic, main of dumpies and and a spare set of talls. Prefer the dumpies as they sit level with the unit. The talls look like rocket launchers! No experience of Heisers or Roths. BertieB
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27th May 2005, 12:29	#3 (permalink)
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29th May 2005, 01:16	#4 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 422	Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) 3's or 5's... Heisers? Fabers? Roths? I have a couple of 3L steel Fabers, longer and narrower than the Heisers (I think) that I've seen people use, any reason these won't work when I get my beastie? As many know I am a tight git and don't want to spend more than I have to Probably need to swap a valve for a left handed one though. I've got a Heisler and a Faber on my classic. Both stick up and help with tim by moving a bit of weight towards my head. CBA weighing them, as it works, and was a simpler solution to buying more tanks. Both are identical in diameter, but the ends are slightly different, with the Heisler being more rounded. I'd say just use the Fabers, as long as they hold gas... but you'll need to get a LH (or RH, depending on your point of view) valve for the O2 cylinder. __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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30th May 2005, 14:08	#5 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,927	I use 6li steels (heisers IIRC). Ex-fire brigade, so come with inverted-ready valves. Trim is spot-on from the word go (Inspo). (This has two advantages over the standard 3li Inspo tins. 1) Lots of bailout. 2) I've swapped some lead for some more gas.) __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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30th May 2005, 18:40	#6 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,304	Are these the taper thread valve bottles? Any problems with the PTFE tape seals on the neck? The ones I've had it was always hard enough stopping air from leaking never mind helium. I can get these fairly cheap, including 3's but I'd never really thought of using them. Quite a few I've had never made it past test... so I just stopped testing them
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30th May 2005, 22:22	#7 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,927	Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Are these the taper thread valve bottles? Any problems with the PTFE tape seals on the neck? The ones I've had it was always hard enough stopping air from leaking never mind helium. I can get these fairly cheap, including 3's but I'd never really thought of using them. Quite a few I've had never made it past test... so I just stopped testing them One (tapered Drager) does gently bubble from round the neck... The rest are fine. M18 I think, non-tapered... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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31st May 2005, 01:33	#8 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) One (tapered Drager) does gently bubble from round the neck... It's the island resort version of a contents gauge. If it stops bubbling, you're out of air!! Rob __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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1st June 2005, 20:14	#9 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Stuart, I have tried almost everything from 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7L steel and aluminum tanks on the Classic-KISS. However, I assume you will be using the Sport-KISS ? For the SK, I have tried the same 2L and 3L steel tanks. The 2L steel tanks are the German-version with tapered thread - which you should be able to get for next to nothing as they are in abundant in Germany (if you have a friend there). The 3L steel tanks are the Inspiration tanks. I wouldn't put anything larger like 5L (or God-forbid, 7L) on the SK since the unit is already wide (but only 4" flat). Just got back from Sharm where Aaron is using 1.5L aluminum tanks (APV Argon tanks) for all of his diving on the unit in warmwater.
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1st June 2005, 21:54	#10 (permalink)
WBA New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada - Ontario Posts: 59	How well do the 3L work on the SK? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Stuart, I have tried almost everything from 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7L steel and aluminum tanks on the Classic-KISS. However, I assume you will be using the Sport-KISS ? For the SK, I have tried the same 2L and 3L steel tanks. The 2L steel tanks are the German-version with tapered thread - which you should be able to get for next to nothing as they are in abundant in Germany (if you have a friend there). The 3L steel tanks are the Inspiration tanks. I wouldn't put anything larger like 5L (or God-forbid, 7L) on the SK since the unit is already wide (but only 4" flat). Just got back from Sharm where Aaron is using 1.5L aluminum tanks (APV Argon tanks) for all of his diving on the unit in warmwater.
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