Classic kiss scrubber drying

buggeriamold · 10th April 2005, 11:31

Hi all,

After doing various bailout exercises etc I managed to get some water into my loop. I guess there was about 5 teaspoons in the exhale lung and when I look down the scrubber center tube I can see a little bit of water down in the bottom.

Sooo… given that the sorb only has 1.5 hours on it what would you do?

Mark

***EBT*** · 10th April 2005, 12:02

Mark,

Chill dude.... dry the lot out and use it. If you want to get the water out the bottom of the can, you can lie it flat... tap the central threaded rod with something substantial and pop the end cap off *carefully*.

Some of us are using sports towels rolled up in the bottom of the can to trap water, bloody effective.

If you're really worried of course, you can always dump it

/Zak

Ken · 10th April 2005, 17:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel)

Mark,

Chill dude.... dry the lot out and use it. If you want to get the water out the bottom of the can, you can lie it flat... tap the central threaded rod with something substantial and pop the end cap off *carefully*.

Some of us are using sports towels rolled up in the bottom of the can to trap water, bloody effective.

If you're really worried of course, you can always dump it

/Zak

Since most of the water tends to collect at the bottom of the KISS classic scrubber (vs. the counterlung) it seems to me that a small recessed drysuit dump in the end cap would solve both the OPV issue as well as address the KISS not having some type of manual water dump?

Not that I'm doing it...just curious since it seems to make some sense to me. However, I could see it as a potential failure point too. Ken

decoweenie · 10th April 2005, 18:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

Since most of the water tends to collect at the bottom of the KISS classic scrubber (vs. the counterlung) it seems to me that a small recessed drysuit dump in the end cap would solve both the OPV issue as well as address the KISS not having some type of manual water dump?

If you do that, you would have to plug the original OPV or the bottom one will not release since the pressure is higher at the bottom.

And you have to build a protective housing for it when you sit the unit upright, etc.

IMHO, it is a potential solution to a unimportant "problem". And the cons outweigh the pros.

Ken · 10th April 2005, 20:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

If you do that, you would have to plug the original OPV or the bottom one will not release since the pressure is higher at the bottom.

And you have to build a protective housing for it when you sit the unit upright, etc.

IMHO, it is a potential solution to a unimportant "problem". And the cons outweigh the pros.

Sure. You'd have to block the original OPV hole. Some type of small coverlet protecting a dump on the bottom might do the trick. It's just a thought that crossed my mind. The most water I've collected at the bottom is in the neighborhood of 100 ml or less so it's a non-issue for me (to date). I do like the fact that some rebreathers have dumps like the PRISM and the Meg. The Meg with the CIS scrubber is an unbeatable combination. On that note where does most of the water collect in the Sport?

Andy M · 10th April 2005, 20:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

On that note where does most of the water collect in the Sport?

Currently... In the sorb!

Roll on the on-the-shoulder water trap.

Ken · 10th April 2005, 20:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M)

Currently... In the sorb!

Roll on the on-the-shoulder water trap.

That's a bit of a bother. I think I read on another thread about someone flooding the scrubber and expanding the rocks to a such a degree that it was hard to take a breath. With the roll on the shoulder are you able to get most of the water into the bag? That being said it would seem that having a small drain on the OTS wouldn't be a bad thing? Hopefully I'll have a chance to see one up close.

buggeriamold · 10th April 2005, 22:50

I guess I was looking at this from a slightly different point of view, as I don’t think that there was enough water to dump even if there was a dump.

I was thinking more along the lines of well I am not going to use the unit for a week or so I have striped the unit washed & dried everything else but still have the little bit of water in the bottom wonder if I can get it out without pulling the scrubber apart or does every one just leave it there until they dump the scrubber.

I thought about knocking the bottom out of the scrubber, as suggested but came to the conclusion that I would prefer to leave the scrubber together.

Mark

Andy M · 10th April 2005, 23:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

That's a bit of a bother. I think I read on another thread about someone flooding the scrubber and expanding the rocks to a such a degree that it was hard to take a breath. With the roll on the shoulder are you able to get most of the water into the bag? That being said it would seem that having a small drain on the OTS wouldn't be a bad thing? Hopefully I'll have a chance to see one up close.

Yeah that was me

by "roll on" the shoulder water trap i meant that there is a addition coming soon which will allow you to fit a water trap on top of the scrubber. theres a pic of it in the KISS forum.

decoweenie · 11th April 2005, 06:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M)

Yeah that was me

by "roll on" the shoulder water trap i meant that there is a addition coming soon which will allow you to fit a water trap on top of the scrubber. theres a pic of it in the KISS forum.

That device will serve 2 purposes:

1) To be used as a water trap (as mentioned). There is a deflector build-in at the connection, so gas simply goes around the reflector whereas water is "trapped" into the bag.

2) The plan is to submit the Sport-KISS thru the CE tests. Further mods will be done to lower the WOB even more, and one of the options is to have (semi) OTS-CL with the regular CL as well to improve the WOB.

Gordon is just about to catch up with all of the Sport-KISS on order, then he could start making more improvements.

So looking at about a few months for them to "roll on"...

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10th April 2005, 11:31	#1 (permalink)
buggeriamold Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: australia Posts: 100	Classic kiss scrubber drying Hi all, After doing various bailout exercises etc I managed to get some water into my loop. I guess there was about 5 teaspoons in the exhale lung and when I look down the scrubber center tube I can see a little bit of water down in the bottom. Sooo… given that the sorb only has 1.5 hours on it what would you do? Mark
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10th April 2005, 12:02	#2 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,115	Mark, Chill dude.... dry the lot out and use it. If you want to get the water out the bottom of the can, you can lie it flat... tap the central threaded rod with something substantial and pop the end cap off carefully. Some of us are using sports towels rolled up in the bottom of the can to trap water, bloody effective. If you're really worried of course, you can always dump it /Zak __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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10th April 2005, 17:43	#3 (permalink)
Ken Team Torrent Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 331	Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel) Mark, Chill dude.... dry the lot out and use it. If you want to get the water out the bottom of the can, you can lie it flat... tap the central threaded rod with something substantial and pop the end cap off carefully. Some of us are using sports towels rolled up in the bottom of the can to trap water, bloody effective. If you're really worried of course, you can always dump it /Zak Since most of the water tends to collect at the bottom of the KISS classic scrubber (vs. the counterlung) it seems to me that a small recessed drysuit dump in the end cap would solve both the OPV issue as well as address the KISS not having some type of manual water dump? Not that I'm doing it...just curious since it seems to make some sense to me. However, I could see it as a potential failure point too. Ken
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10th April 2005, 18:38	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) Since most of the water tends to collect at the bottom of the KISS classic scrubber (vs. the counterlung) it seems to me that a small recessed drysuit dump in the end cap would solve both the OPV issue as well as address the KISS not having some type of manual water dump? If you do that, you would have to plug the original OPV or the bottom one will not release since the pressure is higher at the bottom. And you have to build a protective housing for it when you sit the unit upright, etc. IMHO, it is a potential solution to a unimportant "problem". And the cons outweigh the pros.
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10th April 2005, 20:06	#5 (permalink)
Ken Team Torrent Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 331	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) If you do that, you would have to plug the original OPV or the bottom one will not release since the pressure is higher at the bottom. And you have to build a protective housing for it when you sit the unit upright, etc. IMHO, it is a potential solution to a unimportant "problem". And the cons outweigh the pros. Sure. You'd have to block the original OPV hole. Some type of small coverlet protecting a dump on the bottom might do the trick. It's just a thought that crossed my mind. The most water I've collected at the bottom is in the neighborhood of 100 ml or less so it's a non-issue for me (to date). I do like the fact that some rebreathers have dumps like the PRISM and the Meg. The Meg with the CIS scrubber is an unbeatable combination. On that note where does most of the water collect in the Sport?
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10th April 2005, 20:15	#6 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 428	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) On that note where does most of the water collect in the Sport? Currently... In the sorb! Roll on the on-the-shoulder water trap.
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10th April 2005, 20:48	#7 (permalink)
Ken Team Torrent Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 331	Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M) Currently... In the sorb! Roll on the on-the-shoulder water trap. That's a bit of a bother. I think I read on another thread about someone flooding the scrubber and expanding the rocks to a such a degree that it was hard to take a breath. With the roll on the shoulder are you able to get most of the water into the bag? That being said it would seem that having a small drain on the OTS wouldn't be a bad thing? Hopefully I'll have a chance to see one up close.
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10th April 2005, 22:50	#8 (permalink)
buggeriamold Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: australia Posts: 100	I guess I was looking at this from a slightly different point of view, as I don’t think that there was enough water to dump even if there was a dump. I was thinking more along the lines of well I am not going to use the unit for a week or so I have striped the unit washed & dried everything else but still have the little bit of water in the bottom wonder if I can get it out without pulling the scrubber apart or does every one just leave it there until they dump the scrubber. I thought about knocking the bottom out of the scrubber, as suggested but came to the conclusion that I would prefer to leave the scrubber together. Mark
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10th April 2005, 23:26	#9 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 428	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) That's a bit of a bother. I think I read on another thread about someone flooding the scrubber and expanding the rocks to a such a degree that it was hard to take a breath. With the roll on the shoulder are you able to get most of the water into the bag? That being said it would seem that having a small drain on the OTS wouldn't be a bad thing? Hopefully I'll have a chance to see one up close. Yeah that was me by "roll on" the shoulder water trap i meant that there is a addition coming soon which will allow you to fit a water trap on top of the scrubber. theres a pic of it in the KISS forum.
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11th April 2005, 06:14	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M) Yeah that was me by "roll on" the shoulder water trap i meant that there is a addition coming soon which will allow you to fit a water trap on top of the scrubber. theres a pic of it in the KISS forum. That device will serve 2 purposes: 1) To be used as a water trap (as mentioned). There is a deflector build-in at the connection, so gas simply goes around the reflector whereas water is "trapped" into the bag. 2) The plan is to submit the Sport-KISS thru the CE tests. Further mods will be done to lower the WOB even more, and one of the options is to have (semi) OTS-CL with the regular CL as well to improve the WOB. Gordon is just about to catch up with all of the Sport-KISS on order, then he could start making more improvements. So looking at about a few months for them to "roll on"... :
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