why a kiss over other ccr ?

Ken

Decoweenie has had plenty of deep time on the Classic. You could certainly get his take on either unit.

I've used it in the 70 meter range. It breathes well at depth. However, given my choice of rebreathers I would choose to use the Meg. or YBOD (with HUD) very deep for the simple reason that in extreme task loading situations the ECCR relieves me of one task while I was sorting out other more pressing issues. Additionally, loop floods are not-recoverable in the Classic.

Mark Chase

What he said

I dive a YBOD but I like the KISS a lot. However I would have to have a HUD fitted before I dived it. I have been in situations where other thing needed my attention and I was pleased to have the ECCR doing its thing and the HUD telling me it was all working OK.

Not being able to recover from loop floods is a down side to the kiss but I understand it can be modified to do this.

ATB

Mark Chase

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wizbang

Myself (CCR Dolphin), Steve (James) and another buddy (MK) had their CK's to 100m twice without equipment probs.
Oh yeah MK has also just completed a dive to 120m on the suspected Wear here in OZ. I think MK has a dive planned for 140m next year.
Hope that helps.

Janos

Well I passed my MOD 1 on the CK last week (trip report to follow) and I think it's a great unit. I was a bit jealous of the ECCR boys on day 3 of the course, but by the end of the course ppO2 control was becoming more automatic and in a little while (or perhaps not so little while) I'm sure it will be much better.

Downsides of the CK are the electronics and the lack of water trap but it really is a simple, well constructed unit, that seems to dive really well. I think I made the right decision.

Janos (a real Rebreather expert, according to Mr. Pyle).

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The Purist

Rick Stanton's had his Classic at the end of some deep dark hole at around -130m too, and did that before most people had even heard of the KISS.

I've dived mine regularly to 70-80m and it breathes fine (yes Zak, unless it fills with water ). One reasonably common trait with KISS divers seems to be that soon after buying it they mod the unit heavily adding all sorts of wizzbangs, then slowly peel it back to being virtually the stock unit that the bought in the first place - I put HUDs, offboard gas, setpoint controllers etc firmly into this category, but naturally YMMV.

Andre

I didnt want to tell about other divers but mentioning Rick Stanton he did 180 m last summer diving in St. Saveur/F with his CK without any problems.

decoweenie

I haven't been anywhere near as deep as Rick since I am sane , but Rick also uses his adjustable orifice and not the original fixed orifice which limits the O2 flow at ~110+/- depending on tolerance etc.

However, I have dived the CK in the 70-92m range consistently every week-end for a few years before I sold it. The deepest dive was 115m (found the U-533).

I sold the CK to buy the Sport-KISS which I used for the same type of diving since Jan-2005. The deepest was only 92m in Sharm.

IMHO, depth limit for both units are the same since they both depend on the O2 flow thru the original 0.035" orifice and max IP on the Apeks first stage which limits at around 12bar.

The rest is just personal opinions (i.e. water trap, loop recovery, HUD, etc) since you don't really need all of them to do the dive. Yes, they are nice to have but not critical to do the dive.

As far as flood loop recovery, there are plenty of people bragging about their units could do flood loop recovery, but the only one I have known that actually done it is Rick on the Classic-KISS. Go read his report and figure...

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EBT

Tsk, do you really think I'd take the piss keith??

I'd have to echo pretty much everything you've said (although obviously in a far more manly voice).... Im finding as time goes by Im looking at making my fart recycler simpler!

The only things I'd really like are water traps/dumps and a way of getting my O2 over the right shoulder. I might just have to send my head off to be drilled

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I have been in situations where other thing needed my attention and I was pleased to have the ECCR doing its thing and the HUD telling me it was all working OK.

Minimum loop volume springs to mind

Theres no denying a working eCCR adds a backup O2 control though.


For me, I liked the failure management ethos of the KISS (you HAVE to monitor it), the independence of monitoring O2, the protected counterlungs, the unobstructed front.... and frankly... Gordons attitude. When the original O2 add valves had a spring problem, Gordon took Alex's report and immediately advised all users to contact him for a free replacement.

I keep looking at new units and comparing them to the kiss and the reality for me is that the KISS is proving "hard" to shake.

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John Rawlings

"Proving to shake"????? Care to translate for an ignorant Yank?

Mark Chase

Yeah the silly sod cant type


Tough to shake?? as a guess IE hard to beet.


Zak..

Exposing my ignorance here (on purpose for a change) but how does minimum loop volume assist when your blind or distracted and not monitoring your PP02?

ATB

Mark Chase

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