Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently)

Andy Del · 4th July 2008, 00:38

I wonder if your friend is thinking too much prior to making a purchase and worrying over nothing. Has he indeed tried a KISS BOV and found it way too cumbersome? I find my mouthpiece needs to be set at 'just' the right angle, or it will pull up or down. As long as it sits in the 'mamma bear' position, it puts no stress on my mouth or jaw. It may be, in the heat opf the moment, it will be a non issue.

Possibly the easiest idea is to just get a sporty, and go diving. If the BOV is a PITA, swap it out for something else. Maybe that new fandangled one based on the original inspo mouthpiece?

As for altering the existing KISS BOV... have I been reading about us divers being naughty when we alter things from manufacturer specs?

chunter · 4th July 2008, 03:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by ccr_ada)

thats good if you are a contortionist

would you not end up with lots of water in the loop doing this?

you would end up doing that a lot
don't think i like the idea of that
will you still not end up with water in the DSV?
suppose you could always swallow the water

I think you misunderstood me. I do NOT recommed simply pluging the hole where the 2nd stage goes. If you take the BOV off...take it off entirely and use a simple DSV from another system. If you do...you need some other form of bailout (an air 2 or something similar).

Aloha,
Charlie

sailordiver@msn.com · 4th July 2008, 05:18

If you were to get a caustic cocktail it would be quicker to just turn the BOV than to grope around for a separate reg on your stage bottle, especially if the valve needs to be opened as well.

Ben Field · 4th July 2008, 08:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by sailordiver@msn.com)

If you were to get a caustic cocktail it would be quicker to just turn the BOV than to grope around for a separate reg on your stage bottle, especially if the valve needs to be opened as well.

If you get a cocktail it will probably be in the mouthpiece too (tastes like concrete going off)- the last thing you'll want is to keep the BOV in!

The cocktail is one failure you're best off bailing out properly on IMO.

**PhilSiswick** · 4th July 2008, 08:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

If you get a cocktail it will probably be in the mouthpiece too (tastes like concrete going off)- the last thing you'll want is to keep the BOV in!

The cocktail is one failure you're best off bailing out properly on IMO.

Concur.

I'm surprised you haven't metioned the SNOG valve yet Ben ;-)

Cheers,

Dave Sutton · 4th July 2008, 13:12

Snog valves are good.......

For removal of the second stage (and purging water) all you need to do is to make a simple blanking plate and then drill a 1/8 inch hole at the bottom of the plate. Use that hole to blow water thru befgore opening the DSV to the loop. Piece of cake.

Dave

Ben Field · 4th July 2008, 14:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

I'm surprised you haven't metioned the SNOG valve yet Ben ;-)

Don't want to be a SNOG Snob... plus its abit unfair as they are unavailable.

**PhilSiswick** · 4th July 2008, 15:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Don't want to be a SNOG Snob... plus its abit unfair as they are unavailable.

They'll only become available if people know about them and ask for them. I think it's an excellent tool - it almost makes the KISS as good as a Vision (except for all the other good bits that are missing

).

You a snob, no, heaven forfend. No-one would ever think that.....

Numpty diver · 4th July 2008, 15:50

You can change the hoses and mouthpiece for ray assembly.
Reverse mushrooms on the ray mouthpiece for correct flow.
numpty

warjarrett · 5th July 2008, 08:18

Step one, adding a blanking plate, is declared to be no problem. Step two, allowing the mouthpiece to be purged, by just drilling a 1/8 hole in the bottom of the blanking plate, has been revealed also as no problem. Step four, a bailout system will be required.

Now Step three (the final step in declaring ChettL's question as possible): Is there anyplace in a Kiss Sport's loop to install a manual Dil-add valve? That is, a more convenient location than having to reach back behind one's neck. In systems with over-the-shoulder counterlungs, one would add it there. But where in the Kiss could it be added?

4th July 2008, 00:38	#11 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 413	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) I wonder if your friend is thinking too much prior to making a purchase and worrying over nothing. Has he indeed tried a KISS BOV and found it way too cumbersome? I find my mouthpiece needs to be set at 'just' the right angle, or it will pull up or down. As long as it sits in the 'mamma bear' position, it puts no stress on my mouth or jaw. It may be, in the heat opf the moment, it will be a non issue. Possibly the easiest idea is to just get a sporty, and go diving. If the BOV is a PITA, swap it out for something else. Maybe that new fandangled one based on the original inspo mouthpiece? As for altering the existing KISS BOV... have I been reading about us divers being naughty when we alter things from manufacturer specs? __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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4th July 2008, 03:41	#12 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 473	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Quote: (Originally Posted by ccr_ada) thats good if you are a contortionist would you not end up with lots of water in the loop doing this? you would end up doing that a lot don't think i like the idea of that will you still not end up with water in the DSV? suppose you could always swallow the water I think you misunderstood me. I do NOT recommed simply pluging the hole where the 2nd stage goes. If you take the BOV off...take it off entirely and use a simple DSV from another system. If you do...you need some other form of bailout (an air 2 or something similar). Aloha, Charlie __________________ "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson "Hobgoblin is a cool word." - Charlie
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4th July 2008, 05:18	#13 (permalink)
sailordiver@msn.com New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Venice, CA USA Posts: 50	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) If you were to get a caustic cocktail it would be quicker to just turn the BOV than to grope around for a separate reg on your stage bottle, especially if the valve needs to be opened as well.
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4th July 2008, 08:17	#14 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,571	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Quote: (Originally Posted by sailordiver@msn.com) If you were to get a caustic cocktail it would be quicker to just turn the BOV than to grope around for a separate reg on your stage bottle, especially if the valve needs to be opened as well. If you get a cocktail it will probably be in the mouthpiece too (tastes like concrete going off)- the last thing you'll want is to keep the BOV in! The cocktail is one failure you're best off bailing out properly on IMO. __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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4th July 2008, 08:44	#15 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 922	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) If you get a cocktail it will probably be in the mouthpiece too (tastes like concrete going off)- the last thing you'll want is to keep the BOV in! The cocktail is one failure you're best off bailing out properly on IMO. Concur. I'm surprised you haven't metioned the SNOG valve yet Ben ;-) Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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4th July 2008, 13:12	#16 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Membership Cancelled Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,637	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Snog valves are good....... For removal of the second stage (and purging water) all you need to do is to make a simple blanking plate and then drill a 1/8 inch hole at the bottom of the plate. Use that hole to blow water thru befgore opening the DSV to the loop. Piece of cake. Dave
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4th July 2008, 14:55	#17 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,571	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) I'm surprised you haven't metioned the SNOG valve yet Ben ;-) Don't want to be a SNOG Snob... plus its abit unfair as they are unavailable. __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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4th July 2008, 15:45	#18 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 922	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Don't want to be a SNOG Snob... plus its abit unfair as they are unavailable. They'll only become available if people know about them and ask for them. I think it's an excellent tool - it almost makes the KISS as good as a Vision (except for all the other good bits that are missing ). You a snob, no, heaven forfend. No-one would ever think that..... __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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4th July 2008, 15:50	#19 (permalink)
Numpty diver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norway, Bergen Posts: 204	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) You can change the hoses and mouthpiece for ray assembly. Reverse mushrooms on the ray mouthpiece for correct flow. numpty
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5th July 2008, 08:18	#20 (permalink)
warjarrett New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: May 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 61	Re: Removing The (BOV) From The Kiss Sport (permanently) Step one, adding a blanking plate, is declared to be no problem. Step two, allowing the mouthpiece to be purged, by just drilling a 1/8 hole in the bottom of the blanking plate, has been revealed also as no problem. Step four, a bailout system will be required. Now Step three (the final step in declaring ChettL's question as possible): Is there anyplace in a Kiss Sport's loop to install a manual Dil-add valve? That is, a more convenient location than having to reach back behind one's neck. In systems with over-the-shoulder counterlungs, one would add it there. But where in the Kiss could it be added?
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