My Next KISS Project - Pics

brockbr · 27th May 2008, 01:02

Ok - So I'm not going to completely explain what I am doing ahead of time. There are two reasons - One, it is a work in progress that I am collaborating with a friend on, and two, it's more fun this way

So to start off, the main focus is on the "frame", also known as the counterlung case. My main focus is on hardening the structure for all around diving with a focus on cave and wreck. In doing this, it must trim out with no additional weight.

To start, I checked the CG of the entire unit:

Next, I measured and cut the raw materials. For this project, everything is .125" stainless:

The thickness was selected for it's weight given a drysuit diver.

The aluminum spine from the original CK was used, and the new pieces where drilled and chamfered:

The new "spine" will be much tighter, and less involved (keeping with the KISS principle

):

The head with the spacer in place. and measuring for the cut-outs for the "optional" back-mount counter lungs

Also measuring the position of the "ring"

And the cut-out's done for the "optional" accessories:

Here she is after a day's work:

In the next couple of days I'll finish the welding and other fit-up. Check back soon.

(Special thanks to Holland!

)

cameron · 27th May 2008, 02:36

seems like you like welding more then diving mate!!....

Keep the pics comming.

Cam

Ben Field · 27th May 2008, 08:28

Some kind of lightweight travel frame perhaps?

Completely off-topic, I assume all that white goo is O2 grease on all the o-rings. Its seems alittle excessive due to the pressures of O2 those parts will experience?

Quote: (Originally Posted by brockbr)

brockbr · 27th May 2008, 13:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Some kind of lightweight travel frame perhaps?

Completely off-topic, I assume all that white goo is O2 grease on all the o-rings. Its seems alittle excessive due to the pressures of O2 those parts will experience?

It's just the way the picture has been taken (lighting, contrast)

Look at the same stuff but from a different angle:

And yes - It's crystolube, but in very small amounts. I don't like the idea of mixing lubes across components, so I stick with a single one that is O2 safe.

jkaterenchuk · 27th May 2008, 19:43

Brock

Tough crowd these Canadian and British divers. Thanks for taking the time to post and I look forward to seeing more.

John

netmage · 27th May 2008, 20:08

I think your a little light on supplies....

A few more heineken's are warranted....

Mike Costanzo · 28th May 2008, 12:43

Brockbr, where does the Heineken bottle fit? Will a Amstel bottle fit just as well? How does it affect trim when empty?

brockbr · 28th May 2008, 13:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mike Costanzo)

Brockbr, where does the Heineken bottle fit? Will a Amstel bottle fit just as well? How does it affect trim when empty?

The Heineken bottle plays an important role in construction, one that is similar to whiskey while removing a bullet. Let me explain...

The central piece of stainless tube (see my next post) which protects the scrubber and head from impacts, only clears the scrubber by .125". Since I am dealing with relatively thick stainless (.125"), any heat put into the piece allows it to move ever so slightly. Given the tight clearances I have to maintain and still have a useful end product, I had to have a way to weld it in while monitoring its position and movement.

So... take a guess what that required?

I had to bolt the head and scrubber to the unit, mock up the tube, then tack and weld it with the plastic tube IN PLACE. Removing it wasn't any option since each bead of weld would have the tube move. I had to dance back and forth from side to side, putting heat here, letting it cool over there, with it moving :yikes:

All the while, not getting too much heat into the piece that the plastic scrubber would be effected - Talk about a nail biter

So - The Heineken bottle(s) were critical to calming the nerves

brockbr · 28th May 2008, 13:13

Last night, I was able to get some of the welding done. I snapped these pics while it was still hot and haven't even wire-brushed the welds yet.

And the answer of "lightweight travel version" isn't correct. Try again

jkaterenchuk · 28th May 2008, 14:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by brockbr)

And the answer of "lightweight travel version" isn't correct. Try again

Maybe looking to create a side mount configuration?

John

27th May 2008, 01:02	#1 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 223	My Next KISS Project - Pics Ok - So I'm not going to completely explain what I am doing ahead of time. There are two reasons - One, it is a work in progress that I am collaborating with a friend on, and two, it's more fun this way So to start off, the main focus is on the "frame", also known as the counterlung case. My main focus is on hardening the structure for all around diving with a focus on cave and wreck. In doing this, it must trim out with no additional weight. To start, I checked the CG of the entire unit: Next, I measured and cut the raw materials. For this project, everything is .125" stainless: The thickness was selected for it's weight given a drysuit diver. The aluminum spine from the original CK was used, and the new pieces where drilled and chamfered: The new "spine" will be much tighter, and less involved (keeping with the KISS principle ): The head with the spacer in place. and measuring for the cut-outs for the "optional" back-mount counter lungs Also measuring the position of the "ring" And the cut-out's done for the "optional" accessories: Here she is after a day's work: In the next couple of days I'll finish the welding and other fit-up. Check back soon. (Special thanks to Holland! ) __________________ Want to try FREE BETA Linux/Mac/Windows OC & CCR Decompression software I'm writing? MyDecoPlan.com
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27th May 2008, 02:36	#2 (permalink)
cameron Classic Kiss 124 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 247	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics seems like you like welding more then diving mate!!.... Keep the pics comming. Cam __________________ Reclaim at work and CCR at home, life is good
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27th May 2008, 08:28	#3 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,569	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics Some kind of lightweight travel frame perhaps? Completely off-topic, I assume all that white goo is O2 grease on all the o-rings. Its seems alittle excessive due to the pressures of O2 those parts will experience? Quote: (Originally Posted by brockbr) __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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27th May 2008, 13:00	#4 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 223	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Some kind of lightweight travel frame perhaps? Completely off-topic, I assume all that white goo is O2 grease on all the o-rings. Its seems alittle excessive due to the pressures of O2 those parts will experience? It's just the way the picture has been taken (lighting, contrast) Look at the same stuff but from a different angle: And yes - It's crystolube, but in very small amounts. I don't like the idea of mixing lubes across components, so I stick with a single one that is O2 safe. __________________ Want to try FREE BETA Linux/Mac/Windows OC & CCR Decompression software I'm writing? MyDecoPlan.com
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27th May 2008, 19:43	#5 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 747	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics Brock Tough crowd these Canadian and British divers. Thanks for taking the time to post and I look forward to seeing more. John
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27th May 2008, 20:08	#6 (permalink)
netmage Hello Kitty...... Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Posts: 440	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics I think your a little light on supplies.... A few more heineken's are warranted....
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28th May 2008, 12:43	#7 (permalink)
Mike Costanzo Never E nuff Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Berlin,Md/Port Salerno,Fl - USA Posts: 127	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics Brockbr, where does the Heineken bottle fit? Will a Amstel bottle fit just as well? How does it affect trim when empty? __________________ Mike Costanzo CK #318
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28th May 2008, 13:11	#8 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 223	Re: My Next KISS Project - Pics Quote: (Originally Posted by Mike Costanzo) Brockbr, where does the Heineken bottle fit? Will a Amstel bottle fit just as well? How does it affect trim when empty? The Heineken bottle plays an important role in construction, one that is similar to whiskey while removing a bullet. Let me explain... The central piece of stainless tube (see my next post) which protects the scrubber and head from impacts, only clears the scrubber by .125". Since I am dealing with relatively thick stainless (.125"), any heat put into the piece allows it to move ever so slightly. Given the tight clearances I have to maintain and still have a useful end product, I had to have a way to weld it in while monitoring its position and movement. So... take a guess what that required? I had to bolt the head and scrubber to the unit, mock up the tube, then tack and weld it with the plastic tube IN PLACE. Removing it wasn't any option since each bead of weld would have the tube move. I had to dance back and forth from side to side, putting heat here, letting it cool over there, with it moving :yikes: All the while, not getting too much heat into the piece that the plastic scrubber would be effected - Talk about a nail biter So - The Heineken bottle(s) were critical to calming the nerves __________________ Want to try FREE BETA Linux/Mac/Windows OC & CCR Decompression software I'm writing? MyDecoPlan.com
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28th May 2008, 13:13	#9 (permalink)
brockbr Train Wrecked ;) Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabaster, AL Posts: 223	More Progress Last night, I was able to get some of the welding done. I snapped these pics while it was still hot and haven't even wire-brushed the welds yet. And the answer of "lightweight travel version" isn't correct. Try again __________________ Want to try FREE BETA Linux/Mac/Windows OC & CCR Decompression software I'm writing? MyDecoPlan.com
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28th May 2008, 14:00	#10 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 747	Re: More Progress Quote: (Originally Posted by brockbr) And the answer of "lightweight travel version" isn't correct. Try again Maybe looking to create a side mount configuration? John
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