Sport KISS upgrades

Kim Smith · 10th April 2008, 21:24

Hi Everyone,

We are now ready to upgrade existing Sport KISS units to the new R22D sensor housing. For those who are interested, we can do upgrades for the jetsam triple display, and also provide the Closed Circuit Research pendent display and full monitoring system.

We already have a waiting list of clients who wish to upgrade. Upgrades will happen on a first come, first serve basis. We hope to have a turn around time of 7 to 10 days for these parts, from the time that they arrive in our warehouse.

I have attached our retail pricing for these upgrades. If the attachment does not go through with this email, please contact Evelyne at kmjt@jetsam.ca.

All upgrade inquiries should also go to Evelyne, as she is coordinating this service work.

Also, all new Sport KISS units are now being shipped with black pods, with the R22D sensor housing. Divers will have a choice of our original Jetsam display, in either a triple or dual with VR cable; or the C2R pendent, with monitoring system options.

I hope to email you all again in the next week or so with information on other changes that we have made to both the Sport and Classic units. Until then, please feel free to email or call me with any questions. I would love to hear from you!!

All the best,

Kim Smith
KISS MANUFACTURING

divetheworld · 10th April 2008, 21:49

Thats really good value, useful too. Nice.

Brent

diverklondike · 10th April 2008, 22:02

Kim

Great to see some new enhancements for the KISS.

Mark

anny · 11th April 2008, 06:35

Whats the main gain with this?

Better sensor life?

Is the R22 a better and more reliable sensor than the K1D?

divetheworld · 11th April 2008, 07:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by anny)

Whats the main gain with this?

Better sensor life?

Is the R22 a better and more reliable sensor than the K1D?

YES

Kim Smith · 11th April 2008, 14:32

Hi Anders,

Yes, the R22D sensor has a much longer sensor life. From the teledyne website, the expected life from a R22D sensor is 36 months and the K1D is 15 months. This is at 25C and 50% RH. For diving, as we know, the sensors dont last as long. Most people get close to 2 years on the R22D sensors. Few people get 1 year from the K1D sensors. And the cost of these sensors is pretty much the same. Multiply that cost by 3 sensors, and it adds up. From diving both, the R22D sensor has a faster reaction time also.

Hope this helps!!

Kim Smith
kissrebreathers.com

Dutchy · 11th April 2008, 14:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

YES

Yes to what? There were 3 questions. One of them couldn't be answered by yes or no. As for my own experience I've had both AI and Teledyne K1D's which worked for an average of some 13 months. With 2 of 11 months and 1 now 18 months lifespan is probably indeed longer. But what about reliability? I haven't heard about cells being dead on arrival. Falling apart or limited in the first few months. If the new cells are more reliable (and I have no data for that) then I'll accept the higher total cost of ownership for the old celltype. Are there bad experiences with the old type apart from not always lasting a full year?

RAL · 11th April 2008, 16:04

A great improvement IMHO. Now if Jetsam would only come out with a HUD!!

RAL

Dutchy · 11th April 2008, 19:35

HUD's just make you stop looking at your multiple hansets. When the HUD mis-indicates you die. IMHO a HUD strays away from the KISS principle as it requires a microcontroller (or programmable hw). I can understand that some want them but relying on a HUD got a few of us rebreather divers us in trouble allready. Eg. because you couldn't see it in bright light or because of being used to the red blinking light in the swimming pool. If you want one there are plenty of them you can get from other suppliers. Just make sure that flooding your HUD doesn't screw up the readings on your handsets...

Philippe GERIN · 11th April 2008, 20:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

HUD's just make you stop looking at your multiple hansets. When the HUD mis-indicates you die...

I second that. I have a HUD on my units and I have to remind myself that I need to check my handsets, especially when busy. Hopefully I dived my CK lots of time without a HUD, so the "check handset" muscle memory is there. But for those who get the rig with the HUD from start....
Best
Philippe

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divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: Sport KISS upgrades Thats really good value, useful too. Nice. Brent __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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diverklondike Just one of the Peasants Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,613	Re: Sport KISS upgrades Kim Great to see some new enhancements for the KISS. Mark
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anny No bubbles photo Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 26	Re: Sport KISS upgrades Whats the main gain with this? Better sensor life? Is the R22 a better and more reliable sensor than the K1D? __________________ Anders Nygren www.vattenbilder.com Sport Kiss #87
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Kim Smith New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 16	Re: Sport KISS upgrades Hi Anders, Yes, the R22D sensor has a much longer sensor life. From the teledyne website, the expected life from a R22D sensor is 36 months and the K1D is 15 months. This is at 25C and 50% RH. For diving, as we know, the sensors dont last as long. Most people get close to 2 years on the R22D sensors. Few people get 1 year from the K1D sensors. And the cost of these sensors is pretty much the same. Multiply that cost by 3 sensors, and it adds up. From diving both, the R22D sensor has a faster reaction time also. Hope this helps!! Kim Smith kissrebreathers.com
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Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 769	Re: Sport KISS upgrades Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) YES Yes to what? There were 3 questions. One of them couldn't be answered by yes or no. As for my own experience I've had both AI and Teledyne K1D's which worked for an average of some 13 months. With 2 of 11 months and 1 now 18 months lifespan is probably indeed longer. But what about reliability? I haven't heard about cells being dead on arrival. Falling apart or limited in the first few months. If the new cells are more reliable (and I have no data for that) then I'll accept the higher total cost of ownership for the old celltype. Are there bad experiences with the old type apart from not always lasting a full year? __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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RAL Longbottom Time Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Florida Posts: 390	Re: Sport KISS upgrades A great improvement IMHO. Now if Jetsam would only come out with a HUD!! RAL __________________ The sea does not care about you.
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Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 769	Re: Sport KISS upgrades HUD's just make you stop looking at your multiple hansets. When the HUD mis-indicates you die. IMHO a HUD strays away from the KISS principle as it requires a microcontroller (or programmable hw). I can understand that some want them but relying on a HUD got a few of us rebreather divers us in trouble allready. Eg. because you couldn't see it in bright light or because of being used to the red blinking light in the swimming pool. If you want one there are plenty of them you can get from other suppliers. Just make sure that flooding your HUD doesn't screw up the readings on your handsets... __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 636	Re: Sport KISS upgrades Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) HUD's just make you stop looking at your multiple hansets. When the HUD mis-indicates you die... I second that. I have a HUD on my units and I have to remind myself that I need to check my handsets, especially when busy. Hopefully I dived my CK lots of time without a HUD, so the "check handset" muscle memory is there. But for those who get the rig with the HUD from start.... Best Philippe
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