Need your feed back

Molecular Products Ltd · 11th October 2006, 13:50

Hi I am Stephen Lyons one of the team here at Molecular Products Ltd (the makers of Sofnolime), I have joined the site to gain feedback from the industry about what you guys who dive the gear think you need from a 'scrubber manufacturer' I will try and answer as many questions a possible and will post every now and then to get feed back. I also may post from time to time to quash some of the more outrageous claims that are out there. If I can be of any help please drop me a note. I look forward to the banter!!

UKSteve · 11th October 2006, 13:59

Welcome from a mere "user"!! I am sure there will be much call on your time and expertise from the forum - but I also expect you will get an unrivaled insight into one of you client bases from the formum too,

Look forward to the discussions

Steve

Janos · 11th October 2006, 14:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd)

Hi I am Stephen Lyons one of the team here at Molecular Products Ltd (the makers of Sofnolime), I have joined the site to gain feedback from the industry about what you guys who dive the gear think you need from a 'scrubber manufacturer' I will try and answer as many questions a possible and will post every now and then to get feed back. I also may post from time to time to quash some of the more outrageous claims that are out there. If I can be of any help please drop me a note. I look forward to the banter!!

Hi Steve,

Thanks for coming on the boards. On the internet it can be hard to find the wheat in the chaff, and so it's nice to have a viewpoint from the manufacturer.

I have a question for you to be thinking about:

I dive a Classic KISS. I don't know how much you know about the KISS, but the scrubber is packed by pouring the Sofnolime into scrubber can. I then whack the side of the can while pressing down on the top "spider" to settle the lime out and to prevent channelling.

My question is: Is it possible to compress the lime too much in this way?

Janos

sven · 11th October 2006, 14:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd)

Hi I am Stephen Lyons one of the team here at Molecular Products Ltd (the makers of Sofnolime), I have joined the site to gain feedback from the industry about what you guys who dive the gear think you need from a 'scrubber manufacturer' I will try and answer as many questions a possible and will post every now and then to get feed back. I also may post from time to time to quash some of the more outrageous claims that are out there. If I can be of any help please drop me a note. I look forward to the banter!!

Stephen,

Welcome aboard Rebreather World! I am sure you will get good insights from participating here. And of course, we are all looking forward to get some information "from the horses mouth" :-)

Thinking of it, I do have some questions for you already:

Q1: What is the recommendation regarding packing the scrubber (tight vs. loose)? What about coarse grain vs. fine?
Q2: Is there a formula to estimate the scrubber life for a specific quantity of sofnolime? And what are the assumptions around this formula (temperature, gas flows, diameter of scrubber container, CO2 content, He content, ambient pressure, humidity, ...)?
Q3: Any chance you guys can bring a more efficient (but still affordable) scrubber material onto the market - smaller scrubber for same scrubber life, or, longer scrubber life at the same volume?
Q4: Any chance you guys will be bringing something like the ExtendAir cartridges onto the market?

Cheerio!

CharlieT · 11th October 2006, 14:41

I believe I know the answer will be standard plastic container sizing but otherwise any chance the 4.5 kilo container could be increased to just over two Inspiration Vision fills of sof?

Charlie

The Purist · 11th October 2006, 14:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by CharlieT)

I believe I know the answer will be standard plastic container sizing but otherwise any chance the 4.5 kilo container could be increased to just over two Inspiration Vision fills of sof?

Charlie

or KISS/Meg fills - not sure about the Boris but IIRC the Meg is one of the larger scrubber capacities, so selling a container of 2 x that should keep everyone happy.

Another option would be some more reliable indication of scrubber usage - the current colour change products aren't held in great esteem round here.

The holy grail would of course be an easily packed, high CO2 capacity, low cost material... go on, you know you want to

RebreatherNut · 11th October 2006, 15:01

Stephen,
Welcome to Rebreahterworld.com

We sure are glad that you registerd here on Rebreather World, and I am sure there are plenty of us who are willing to give you feedback.
And I am sure members will have plenty of questions for you.

Again, welcome on board!

RBN

louisrankin · 11th October 2006, 15:13

Hi Stephen,

Welcome to Rebreather World can you tell me the difference between medical grade sofnolime and rebreather grade? Is there more stringent testing done on the Rebreather grade or Medical grade? I know some people use the medical grade that changes colour in there Rebreather. I am just curious as to what the difference is between the two products and also how accurate is the colour change indication?

I look forward to your answer.

Louis

Janos · 11th October 2006, 15:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by The Purist)

The holy grail would of course be an easily packed, high CO2 capacity, low cost material... go on, you know you want to

That is non-toxic, works when flooded, and tastes of chocolate.

Janos

***Beanie*** · 11th October 2006, 15:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos)

That is non-toxic, works when flooded, and tastes of chocolate.

Janos

and is reuseable after 5 mins in the microwave / sun / oven

Welcome,

I think that if you can clear up some of the myths surrounding scruber material that would be good

11th October 2006, 13:50	#1 (permalink)
Molecular Products Ltd New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 53	Need your feed back Hi I am Stephen Lyons one of the team here at Molecular Products Ltd (the makers of Sofnolime), I have joined the site to gain feedback from the industry about what you guys who dive the gear think you need from a 'scrubber manufacturer' I will try and answer as many questions a possible and will post every now and then to get feed back. I also may post from time to time to quash some of the more outrageous claims that are out there. If I can be of any help please drop me a note. I look forward to the banter!!
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11th October 2006, 13:59	#2 (permalink)
UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 598	Re: Need your feed back Welcome from a mere "user"!! I am sure there will be much call on your time and expertise from the forum - but I also expect you will get an unrivaled insight into one of you client bases from the formum too, Look forward to the discussions Steve Last edited by UKSteve : 11th October 2006 at 14:00. Reason: Crap typing...
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11th October 2006, 14:14	#3 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 599	Re: Need your feed back Quote: (Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd) Hi I am Stephen Lyons one of the team here at Molecular Products Ltd (the makers of Sofnolime), I have joined the site to gain feedback from the industry about what you guys who dive the gear think you need from a 'scrubber manufacturer' I will try and answer as many questions a possible and will post every now and then to get feed back. I also may post from time to time to quash some of the more outrageous claims that are out there. If I can be of any help please drop me a note. I look forward to the banter!! Hi Steve, Thanks for coming on the boards. On the internet it can be hard to find the wheat in the chaff, and so it's nice to have a viewpoint from the manufacturer. I have a question for you to be thinking about: I dive a Classic KISS. I don't know how much you know about the KISS, but the scrubber is packed by pouring the Sofnolime into scrubber can. I then whack the side of the can while pressing down on the top "spider" to settle the lime out and to prevent channelling. My question is: Is it possible to compress the lime too much in this way? Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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11th October 2006, 14:22	#4 (permalink)
sven Blogs Admin / Forum Mod Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 551	Re: Need your feed back Quote: (Originally Posted by Molecular Products Ltd) Hi I am Stephen Lyons one of the team here at Molecular Products Ltd (the makers of Sofnolime), I have joined the site to gain feedback from the industry about what you guys who dive the gear think you need from a 'scrubber manufacturer' I will try and answer as many questions a possible and will post every now and then to get feed back. I also may post from time to time to quash some of the more outrageous claims that are out there. If I can be of any help please drop me a note. I look forward to the banter!! Stephen, Welcome aboard Rebreather World! I am sure you will get good insights from participating here. And of course, we are all looking forward to get some information "from the horses mouth" :-) Thinking of it, I do have some questions for you already: Q1: What is the recommendation regarding packing the scrubber (tight vs. loose)? What about coarse grain vs. fine? Q2: Is there a formula to estimate the scrubber life for a specific quantity of sofnolime? And what are the assumptions around this formula (temperature, gas flows, diameter of scrubber container, CO2 content, He content, ambient pressure, humidity, ...)? Q3: Any chance you guys can bring a more efficient (but still affordable) scrubber material onto the market - smaller scrubber for same scrubber life, or, longer scrubber life at the same volume? Q4: Any chance you guys will be bringing something like the ExtendAir cartridges onto the market? Cheerio! __________________ Regards, Sven [SIZE=1]The Sydney Project website: [URL]http://www.sydneyproject.com[/URL] My Blog: [URL]http://sven.rebreatherworld.com[/URL] "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain[/SIZE]
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CharlieT Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 449	Re: Need your feed back I believe I know the answer will be standard plastic container sizing but otherwise any chance the 4.5 kilo container could be increased to just over two Inspiration Vision fills of sof? Charlie
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11th October 2006, 14:49	#6 (permalink)
The Purist New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 99	Re: Need your feed back Quote: (Originally Posted by CharlieT) I believe I know the answer will be standard plastic container sizing but otherwise any chance the 4.5 kilo container could be increased to just over two Inspiration Vision fills of sof? Charlie or KISS/Meg fills - not sure about the Boris but IIRC the Meg is one of the larger scrubber capacities, so selling a container of 2 x that should keep everyone happy. Another option would be some more reliable indication of scrubber usage - the current colour change products aren't held in great esteem round here. The holy grail would of course be an easily packed, high CO2 capacity, low cost material... go on, you know you want to
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11th October 2006, 15:01	#7 (permalink)
RebreatherNut Rebreather World Greeter Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Ray Other Rebreather/s: Ray Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 696	Re: Need your feed back Stephen, Welcome to Rebreahterworld.com We sure are glad that you registerd here on Rebreather World, and I am sure there are plenty of us who are willing to give you feedback. And I am sure members will have plenty of questions for you. Again, welcome on board! RBN __________________ "One minute to go, Luck-meister! Then I'll be down on you like a buzzard on a gut wagon." - ALF
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11th October 2006, 15:13	#8 (permalink)
louisrankin Póg mo thóin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 302	Re: Need your feed back Hi Stephen, Welcome to Rebreather World can you tell me the difference between medical grade sofnolime and rebreather grade? Is there more stringent testing done on the Rebreather grade or Medical grade? I know some people use the medical grade that changes colour in there Rebreather. I am just curious as to what the difference is between the two products and also how accurate is the colour change indication? I look forward to your answer. Louis
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11th October 2006, 15:21	#9 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 599	Re: Need your feed back Quote: (Originally Posted by The Purist) The holy grail would of course be an easily packed, high CO2 capacity, low cost material... go on, you know you want to That is non-toxic, works when flooded, and tastes of chocolate. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,174	Re: Need your feed back Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos) That is non-toxic, works when flooded, and tastes of chocolate. Janos and is reuseable after 5 mins in the microwave / sun / oven Welcome, I think that if you can clear up some of the myths surrounding scruber material that would be good __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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