frogman957

frogman957 · 25th May 2008, 23:07

hey guys...I am still on OC,, tdi adv trimix: but thinking of joining in on the rebreather fun. the cost of admission is steep. dont know if Ill ever be able to go that far. if any one has any suggestions, i would be glad to entertain them.

I have a few problems:

-finding REAL prices on different rebreathers is tricky...the dealers and websites that have pricing NEVER tell the entire story

-Training: what does it cost? and I know there are dives involved, how many do I expect to pay for during the course?

-are there any instructors in Central Florida who will give me straight talk?

so many of my previous courses were undisclosed, and became black holes, into wich I poured money.

just dont want this to be the same.

HELP!!!

Sincerely,
Ray G,

Dsix36 · 26th May 2008, 01:59

pricing is dependant upon which unit.

In general, I would say that it is reasonable to expect to pay 10k-12k for a new unit with training and the necessary consumables.

Of course it can be less exppensive with a used unit or a mccr vs. a eccr.

frogman957 · 26th May 2008, 20:26

hey Dsix36, thanks for the reply. have you ever heard of anyone surviving the use of a

IDA-64A? russian navy CCR. I am sure it is totally manual, but I am sure with proper equipment it can be upgraded to an eccr

these units can be had for under $2000. just about any time.

is the technology all pretty much the same from brand to brand? or are there major differences?

are there different ways to build a ccr?

what is your favorite? and why?

I tank you from the depths 4 any time you waste talking to me...haha

Ray G

**Gill Envy** · 27th May 2008, 07:12

hello Ray, Welcome to rebreatherworld. Figuring out how to make apples to apples comparisons between brands is really quite a challange since there is quite a variation in how the different brands are configured and there is quite a spectrum of opinions on what the minimum requirements for different levels/types of diving are... and whatever you think your goals are, chances are they are about to change!

take your time, there is lots of good reading to be had on this site. I would recommend not getting so caught up in what the one ultimate set up is for you at this time. I found it took considerable time to get to a point where I wanted to push past what I was doing on OC before getting into rebreathers, it's really like starting over for the first year or so. It's probably best to spend some time getting to know the options and just pick one...in a year or so of actual experience, you will have much better idea of what your longer term needs are. generally rebreathers maintain their value pretty well, and if you need to change over to another type, or add additional electronics, it's not that big a deal. As far as trying to avoid the black hole, good luck! no matter what route you choose, it's important to understand that the financial commitment is significant with multiple levels of certification and an almost endless wish list of gear configurations.

In the end though, you will get to do some diving beyond your wildest dreams!

g

teomannaskali · 27th May 2008, 10:30

The IDA64 is nice unit. However I would not direclty recommend it, you need to modify it quite a bit (It is a pure o2 rebrether) I thinkt that you would be better of just buying a dolphin or even a ray. These can be had for very cheap prices (1000-2000 dollars) and see how you like it and then upgrade it to mccr or if you like the activity enough go for a better unit.

Do not start home building before you have some hours of Rebreather diving done. And know that it will turn out to be a bit more expensive than buying something (for the first time). However it is very fun. Not being able to dive while you are building becomes fustrating so I advise to start from something that is working and then modify bits from that.

This is what I would do if i had to start all over again.

Teoman

osiris · 27th May 2008, 11:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by frogman957)

hey Dsix36, thanks for the reply. have you ever heard of anyone surviving the use of a

IDA-64A? russian navy CCR. I am sure it is totally manual, but I am sure with proper equipment it can be upgraded to an eccr

these units can be had for under $2000. just about any time.

is the technology all pretty much the same from brand to brand? or are there major differences?

are there different ways to build a ccr?

what is your favorite? and why?

I tank you from the depths 4 any time you waste talking to me...haha

Ray G

The IDA-64 is a nice unit but you'll need to modify it heavily before you can use it safely. If you want a low entry cost, easy to use, easy to maintain unit I'd recommend you take a look at the Sports KISS. Buy a good second hand one and use till you decide "where to next".

At the risk of starting a bun fight - arguably, you're better off starting on a manual CCR than an eccr..........

25th May 2008, 23:07	#1 (permalink)
frogman957 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2008 Location: Central fl Posts: 2	frogman957 hey guys...I am still on OC,, tdi adv trimix: but thinking of joining in on the rebreather fun. the cost of admission is steep. dont know if Ill ever be able to go that far. if any one has any suggestions, i would be glad to entertain them. I have a few problems: -finding REAL prices on different rebreathers is tricky...the dealers and websites that have pricing NEVER tell the entire story -Training: what does it cost? and I know there are dives involved, how many do I expect to pay for during the course? -are there any instructors in Central Florida who will give me straight talk? so many of my previous courses were undisclosed, and became black holes, into wich I poured money. just dont want this to be the same. HELP!!! Sincerely, Ray G,
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26th May 2008, 01:59	#2 (permalink)
Dsix36 Going Down? Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida Posts: 1,146	Re: frogman957 pricing is dependant upon which unit. In general, I would say that it is reasonable to expect to pay 10k-12k for a new unit with training and the necessary consumables. Of course it can be less exppensive with a used unit or a mccr vs. a eccr. __________________ THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
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26th May 2008, 20:26	#3 (permalink)
frogman957 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: May 2008 Location: Central fl Posts: 2	Re: frogman957 hey Dsix36, thanks for the reply. have you ever heard of anyone surviving the use of a IDA-64A? russian navy CCR. I am sure it is totally manual, but I am sure with proper equipment it can be upgraded to an eccr these units can be had for under $2000. just about any time. is the technology all pretty much the same from brand to brand? or are there major differences? are there different ways to build a ccr? what is your favorite? and why? I tank you from the depths 4 any time you waste talking to me...haha Ray G
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27th May 2008, 07:12	#4 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,341	Re: frogman957 hello Ray, Welcome to rebreatherworld. Figuring out how to make apples to apples comparisons between brands is really quite a challange since there is quite a variation in how the different brands are configured and there is quite a spectrum of opinions on what the minimum requirements for different levels/types of diving are... and whatever you think your goals are, chances are they are about to change! take your time, there is lots of good reading to be had on this site. I would recommend not getting so caught up in what the one ultimate set up is for you at this time. I found it took considerable time to get to a point where I wanted to push past what I was doing on OC before getting into rebreathers, it's really like starting over for the first year or so. It's probably best to spend some time getting to know the options and just pick one...in a year or so of actual experience, you will have much better idea of what your longer term needs are. generally rebreathers maintain their value pretty well, and if you need to change over to another type, or add additional electronics, it's not that big a deal. As far as trying to avoid the black hole, good luck! no matter what route you choose, it's important to understand that the financial commitment is significant with multiple levels of certification and an almost endless wish list of gear configurations. In the end though, you will get to do some diving beyond your wildest dreams! g __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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27th May 2008, 10:30	#5 (permalink)
teomannaskali RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Home Build Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Istanbul TR Posts: 415	Re: frogman957 The IDA64 is nice unit. However I would not direclty recommend it, you need to modify it quite a bit (It is a pure o2 rebrether) I thinkt that you would be better of just buying a dolphin or even a ray. These can be had for very cheap prices (1000-2000 dollars) and see how you like it and then upgrade it to mccr or if you like the activity enough go for a better unit. Do not start home building before you have some hours of Rebreather diving done. And know that it will turn out to be a bit more expensive than buying something (for the first time). However it is very fun. Not being able to dive while you are building becomes fustrating so I advise to start from something that is working and then modify bits from that. This is what I would do if i had to start all over again. Teoman Last edited by teomannaskali : 27th May 2008 at 10:34.
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27th May 2008, 11:04	#6 (permalink)
osiris RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland Posts: 331	Re: frogman957 Quote: (Originally Posted by frogman957) hey Dsix36, thanks for the reply. have you ever heard of anyone surviving the use of a IDA-64A? russian navy CCR. I am sure it is totally manual, but I am sure with proper equipment it can be upgraded to an eccr these units can be had for under $2000. just about any time. is the technology all pretty much the same from brand to brand? or are there major differences? are there different ways to build a ccr? what is your favorite? and why? I tank you from the depths 4 any time you waste talking to me...haha Ray G The IDA-64 is a nice unit but you'll need to modify it heavily before you can use it safely. If you want a low entry cost, easy to use, easy to maintain unit I'd recommend you take a look at the Sports KISS. Buy a good second hand one and use till you decide "where to next". At the risk of starting a bun fight - arguably, you're better off starting on a manual CCR than an eccr..........
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