Another one to the Dark Side

Guilhem · 22nd April 2008, 11:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rubis)

Well, a set of double 18s, 1 scooter and 5 stages is currently the max I can do on OC ...

The logistics of gas management just becomes ridiculous with extended bottom times, deep diving and long cave dives ...

Extended bottom times, as in "shallow dive with long cave penetration", that I can understand. Deep diving not, as what you will save in deco bottles will be offset by the bailout tanks you'll have to carry along. What kind of depths are you targeting ? Did you do the bailout calculations, including of course the non-optimized deco once you revert to OC ?
I can only

handle twin-15 and 3 stages (in open ocean), which is already plenty of gas, yet I did not move to rebreather because it was the tool needed for the job, but because of other reasons, among which: better deco, ligther for hopping from rock to rock when shore diving, getting closer to wildlife, and ... fun to discover a new toy

!

J. V. · 22nd April 2008, 12:53

Quote:

I am currently in the process of learning but I found it is much easier than I thought, especially the trim and the bouyancy ...

Sure it's easy. And it's the problem, it's often so easy that it's difficult to remember it can be sometime so difficult.

Quote:

I love the easiness and the solidity of the Kiss, very nicely built unit.
Now I need some time to get really confortable with it, so that all becomes second nature. And configure it best for my future use.

It's a good choice -naturally less than a rEvo

. A CK own the terminus of Landenouze (with R. Stanton). You're welcome to go farther

teddy2005 · 22nd April 2008, 14:35

Coucou Cris,

ouelcome and very good decision and nice toy (even if I have to support J.V.'s opinion

that there is a better alternative ...)

Have fun!

Urs

Rubis · 23rd April 2008, 03:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by teddy2005)

Coucou Cris,

ouelcome and very good decision and nice toy (even if I have to support J.V.'s opinion

that there is a better alternative ...)

Have fun!

Urs

Hi ...
this is just a beginning, for learning sakes we have the right tool. I have the feeling that 4h on a cannister won't be enough pretty soon

Dominique · 23rd April 2008, 19:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rubis)

Hi,
as many people now, I too have transitioned from OC to a rebreather.
Cris

Salut Chris,

Nice to read you have moved to rebreather. Has Kevin moved to rebreather too?

Keep us posted and let us know when you are back to to here the south of France,

Dominique
Frogman Museum

christianGAS · 24th April 2008, 06:22

Hi Cris,
finally you did it ... but rebreathers are a very special domain, less "formal" than OC...

caverkevin · 24th April 2008, 14:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by J. V.)

It's a good choice -naturally less than a rEvo

. A CK own the terminus of Landenouze (with R. Stanton). You're welcome to go farther

We saw some limiting factors with the rEvo that led us to the CK. There are things we are doing with the CK that I do not know could be possible with the other unit without a great deal of modification and expense. We have made some easy, but major changes to the CK to fit our diving.

Was looking at the Coupe of Landenouze on plongeesout. Is the end still at 1240m and -88 meters of depth? I would love to get back to France for some more cave diving in the Lot. Would like to make the deep circuits in Ressel and get some more diving inside your cave. Also like to get into Saint Sauveur. I have not taken the time to dive that system. It is on my list.

Cheers!!

Kevin

J. V. · 24th April 2008, 17:46

Quote:

We saw some limiting factors with the rEvo that led us to the CK. There are things we are doing with the CK that I do not know could be possible with the other unit without a great deal of modification and expense. We have made some easy, but major changes to the CK to fit our diving.

What, for exemple ?

Quote:

Was looking at the Coupe of Landenouze on plongeesout. Is the end still at 1240m and -88 meters of depth?

As I know, R. Stanton is now around 120 meters at 1,5 km from the entrance.

Quote:

I would love to get back to France for some more cave diving in the Lot. Would like to make the deep circuits in Ressel and get some more diving inside your cave. Also like to get into Saint Sauveur. I have not taken the time to dive that system. It is on my list.

You're welcome !

caverkevin · 24th April 2008, 18:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by J. V.)

What, for exemple ?

Location of the manual add buttons and cylinder orientation are the two biggest. I have rigged the CK from day one with valves up. I like having the MAV on my chest. The CK came stock with a BOV. There was no fussing with getting a after market valve.

There are a few other things I am planning, but they are a bit down the road. Hopefully those changes will be made before I come to France next time. Then you can see it all in person.

Cheers!!

Kevin

J. V. · 24th April 2008, 18:33

Quote:

Location of the manual add buttons and cylinder orientation are the two biggest. I have rigged the CK from day one with valves up. I like having the MAV on my chest.

Probably it will change after some dive.

Quote:

There are a few other things I am planning, but they are a bit down the road. Hopefully those changes will be made before I come to France next time. Then you can see it all in person.

Generally, CCR owner makes plenty of modifications on his breather, each better than the other, and after some month, or year, come back to the original rig.
Keep it simple !

22nd April 2008, 11:34	#11 (permalink)
Guilhem New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South-East France Posts: 55	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: (Originally Posted by Rubis) Well, a set of double 18s, 1 scooter and 5 stages is currently the max I can do on OC ... The logistics of gas management just becomes ridiculous with extended bottom times, deep diving and long cave dives ... Extended bottom times, as in "shallow dive with long cave penetration", that I can understand. Deep diving not, as what you will save in deco bottles will be offset by the bailout tanks you'll have to carry along. What kind of depths are you targeting ? Did you do the bailout calculations, including of course the non-optimized deco once you revert to OC ? I can only handle twin-15 and 3 stages (in open ocean), which is already plenty of gas, yet I did not move to rebreather because it was the tool needed for the job, but because of other reasons, among which: better deco, ligther for hopping from rock to rock when shore diving, getting closer to wildlife, and ... fun to discover a new toy !
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22nd April 2008, 12:53	#12 (permalink)
J. V. Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet rEvo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lot & Savoie Posts: 231	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: I am currently in the process of learning but I found it is much easier than I thought, especially the trim and the bouyancy ... Sure it's easy. And it's the problem, it's often so easy that it's difficult to remember it can be sometime so difficult. Quote: I love the easiness and the solidity of the Kiss, very nicely built unit. Now I need some time to get really confortable with it, so that all becomes second nature. And configure it best for my future use. It's a good choice -naturally less than a rEvo . A CK own the terminus of Landenouze (with R. Stanton). You're welcome to go farther __________________ -------------------- Jacques NPSFQQA-EDS IT # 007 (remué non agité) Last edited by J. V. : 22nd April 2008 at 13:28.
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22nd April 2008, 14:35	#13 (permalink)
teddy2005 New Member Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Coucou Cris, ouelcome and very good decision and nice toy (even if I have to support J.V.'s opinion that there is a better alternative ...) Have fun! Urs
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23rd April 2008, 03:12	#14 (permalink)
Rubis New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 21	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: (Originally Posted by teddy2005) Coucou Cris, ouelcome and very good decision and nice toy (even if I have to support J.V.'s opinion that there is a better alternative ...) Have fun! Urs Hi ... this is just a beginning, for learning sakes we have the right tool. I have the feeling that 4h on a cannister won't be enough pretty soon
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23rd April 2008, 19:25	#15 (permalink)
Dominique New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: France, Antibes Posts: 14	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: (Originally Posted by Rubis) Hi, as many people now, I too have transitioned from OC to a rebreather. Cris Salut Chris, Nice to read you have moved to rebreather. Has Kevin moved to rebreather too? Keep us posted and let us know when you are back to to here the south of France, Dominique Frogman Museum
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24th April 2008, 06:22	#16 (permalink)
christianGAS New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: FRANCE Posts: 4	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Hi Cris, finally you did it ... but rebreathers are a very special domain, less "formal" than OC...
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24th April 2008, 14:39	#17 (permalink)
caverkevin CK #159 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Broadway NC Posts: 90	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: (Originally Posted by J. V.) It's a good choice -naturally less than a rEvo . A CK own the terminus of Landenouze (with R. Stanton). You're welcome to go farther We saw some limiting factors with the rEvo that led us to the CK. There are things we are doing with the CK that I do not know could be possible with the other unit without a great deal of modification and expense. We have made some easy, but major changes to the CK to fit our diving. Was looking at the Coupe of Landenouze on plongeesout. Is the end still at 1240m and -88 meters of depth? I would love to get back to France for some more cave diving in the Lot. Would like to make the deep circuits in Ressel and get some more diving inside your cave. Also like to get into Saint Sauveur. I have not taken the time to dive that system. It is on my list. Cheers!! Kevin
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24th April 2008, 17:46	#18 (permalink)
J. V. Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet rEvo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lot & Savoie Posts: 231	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: We saw some limiting factors with the rEvo that led us to the CK. There are things we are doing with the CK that I do not know could be possible with the other unit without a great deal of modification and expense. We have made some easy, but major changes to the CK to fit our diving. What, for exemple ? Quote: Was looking at the Coupe of Landenouze on plongeesout. Is the end still at 1240m and -88 meters of depth? As I know, R. Stanton is now around 120 meters at 1,5 km from the entrance. Quote: I would love to get back to France for some more cave diving in the Lot. Would like to make the deep circuits in Ressel and get some more diving inside your cave. Also like to get into Saint Sauveur. I have not taken the time to dive that system. It is on my list. You're welcome ! __________________ -------------------- Jacques NPSFQQA-EDS IT # 007 (remué non agité)
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24th April 2008, 18:16	#19 (permalink)
caverkevin CK #159 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Broadway NC Posts: 90	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: (Originally Posted by J. V.) What, for exemple ? Location of the manual add buttons and cylinder orientation are the two biggest. I have rigged the CK from day one with valves up. I like having the MAV on my chest. The CK came stock with a BOV. There was no fussing with getting a after market valve. There are a few other things I am planning, but they are a bit down the road. Hopefully those changes will be made before I come to France next time. Then you can see it all in person. Cheers!! Kevin
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24th April 2008, 18:33	#20 (permalink)
J. V. Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet rEvo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lot & Savoie Posts: 231	Re: Another one to the Dark Side Quote: Location of the manual add buttons and cylinder orientation are the two biggest. I have rigged the CK from day one with valves up. I like having the MAV on my chest. Probably it will change after some dive. Quote: There are a few other things I am planning, but they are a bit down the road. Hopefully those changes will be made before I come to France next time. Then you can see it all in person. Generally, CCR owner makes plenty of modifications on his breather, each better than the other, and after some month, or year, come back to the original rig. Keep it simple ! __________________ -------------------- Jacques NPSFQQA-EDS IT # 007 (remué non agité)
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