Martin Burnard Says Hello

Martin Burnard · 19th October 2007, 15:07

OK for those that know me from other forums..... do not get excited, I am here to be nosey and have no intention of going down the Rebreather route!

Why not? Probably the same tired old argument you ahve all heard before!

Ie
It will kill me by itself
The batteries might fail
They don't work
Nobody has tested them, you are all guinea pigs.

etc

In reality it's because I like simplicity, do some dives on trimix but not lots in a year.

I am happy with in water time of 90 minutes so not alot of bottom time to be gained from shaved deco (unless I have missed something).

My kit gets a hammering (dive in the morning before work, throw the kit in the back of the pickup, forget it for a couple of days, check gas jump in for another dive, throw in the back..... get the idea).

They are rather alot of dosh in the first place.

I am very much a team diver which appears to be at odds with the world of rebreathers.

etc.

However I would not say that I will never dive a rebreather (that would be silly).

So being a curious chap I thought I would pop in and have a nose around, ask questions etc.

Now thinking of questions why do so many people with rebreathers have more than one, or buy one then sell it for another one?

It's the more than one that gets me, especially different flavours.

Oh well......

Anyway hello everybody

Happy diving

Martin

Ben Field · 19th October 2007, 15:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard)

OK for those that know me from other forums..... do not get excited, I am here to be nosey and have no intention of going down the Rebreather route!

I'm not on any other forums so Hello and Welcome

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard)

I am very much a team diver which appears to be at odds with the world of rebreathers.

Your other comments I suspect you may already have ideas on why they aren't necessarily accurate.

As for Team diving, I see no reason at all not to dive Rebreather in teams, in fact its a good idea as there will be more people around to pinch gas off when the time comes to need it!

Rebreather diving in pair or more is great, remember- we can talk to each other as well!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard)

Now thinking of questions why do so many people with rebreathers have more than one, or buy one then sell it for another one?

Change of mind, different types of diving, new units become available, old one breaks, Instructors current on multiple units, different unit suitable for travelling, deep pockets? and once you have one, well its only natural to want another- its addictive

Martin Burnard · 19th October 2007, 15:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

I'm not on any other forums so Hello and Welcome

Your other comments I suspect you may already have ideas on why they aren't necessarily accurate.

As for Team diving, I see no reason at all not to dive Rebreather in teams, in fact its a good idea as there will be more people around to pinch gas off when the time comes to need it!

Rebreather diving in pair or more is great, remember- we can talk to each other as well!

Change of mind, different types of diving, new units become available, old one breaks, Instructors current on multiple units, different unit suitable for travelling, deep pockets? and once you have one, well its only natural to want another- its addictive

And of course all divers are united by love of more new stuff to play with!

decoweenie · 19th October 2007, 15:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard)

OK for those that know me from other forums..... do not get excited, I am here to be nosey and have no intention of going down the Rebreather route!

Excuse me, but WTF is Martin Burnard ?

If you have no ntention of diving a Rebreather, then it is best to lurk and possibly learn instead of making some (IMHO) rather presumptious and could be read as obnoxious comments about people who dive RBs (i.e. team, unsafe, blah-blah) on your first post.

BTW, welcome!

SteveJ · 19th October 2007, 16:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard)

It will kill me by itself
The batteries might fail
They don't work
Nobody has tested them, you are all guinea pigs.

etc

Martin

Yep, welcome to our world of overpaid, suicidal test pilots

Mdemon · 19th October 2007, 21:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Excuse me, but WTF is Martin Burnard ?

If you have no ntention of diving a Rebreather, then it is best to lurk and possibly learn instead of making some (IMHO) rather presumptious and could be read as obnoxious comments about people who dive RBs (i.e. team, unsafe, blah-blah) on your first post.

BTW, welcome!

Paraphrasing, I think the second word was "Off!"

Martin, I think what you really, really want is for us to convince you why you want one. And I think you might be a little tempted already... So why not tell us why you think they are a good thing and we'll take it from there?

Knowing the work you do with SeaSearch, I'd say you'll enjoy the closer contact you get with fish. They really, really do come closer and really, really do react to bubbles. The other thing you might like is the lack of worry about breathing gas. It's nice to be limited by deco, not gas. Finally, there is a lot to be said for the warmer, moister air you get to breathe.

Other than that, there are plusses and minuses. I'd point out the migration towards RBs and ask yourself why the majority of tech divers seem to be using RBs. It can't all be about status, can it? Anyhow, I know you're not a troll, so ask away.

Martin Burnard · 30th October 2007, 12:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard)

Why not? Probably the same tired old argument you ahve all heard before!

Ie
It will kill me by itself
The batteries might fail
They don't work
Nobody has tested them, you are all guinea pigs.

OK Keep your hair on I did say the same old tired arguments, so for those who are not sure...... that means I don't agree with them

etc

In reality it's because I like simplicity, do some dives on trimix but not lots in a year.

I am happy with in water time of 90 minutes so not alot of bottom time to be gained from shaved deco (unless I have missed something).

My kit gets a hammering (dive in the morning before work, throw the kit in the back of the pickup, forget it for a couple of days, check gas jump in for another dive, throw in the back..... get the idea).

They are rather alot of dosh in the first place.

Financial viability is not in my favour....

I am very much a team diver which appears to be at odds with the world of rebreathers.

A statement based on my limited observations, but this also applies to a lot of OC technical divers in the UK
etc.

However I would not say that I will never dive a rebreather (that would be silly).

I am sure at some stage I said I would never get married or have children, so hence the paragraph above

So being a curious chap I thought I would pop in and have a nose around, ask questions etc.

Now thinking of questions why do so many people with rebreathers have more than one, or buy one then sell it for another one?

It's the more than one that gets me, especially different flavours.

Oh well......

Anyway hello everybody

Happy diving

Martin

So now that you get the idea (hopefully) that am here to be curious, you can wind your neck in and be a little less sensitive, then Decoweenie we can insult each properly when appropiate (spelling?).

In the meantime I can browse and learn.

happy diving

Mdemon · 30th October 2007, 13:51

Bi-curious? Does your wife know?

Martin Burnard · 30th October 2007, 14:03

Mdemon behave or I will pre-breathe your lime, hours before you dive then it will go all lumpy, cleggy, purple, and wet. Then you will have to breathe cold gas like me.

19th October 2007, 15:07	#1 (permalink)
Martin Burnard New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 9	Martin Burnard Says Hello OK for those that know me from other forums..... do not get excited, I am here to be nosey and have no intention of going down the Rebreather route! Why not? Probably the same tired old argument you ahve all heard before! Ie It will kill me by itself The batteries might fail They don't work Nobody has tested them, you are all guinea pigs. etc In reality it's because I like simplicity, do some dives on trimix but not lots in a year. I am happy with in water time of 90 minutes so not alot of bottom time to be gained from shaved deco (unless I have missed something). My kit gets a hammering (dive in the morning before work, throw the kit in the back of the pickup, forget it for a couple of days, check gas jump in for another dive, throw in the back..... get the idea). They are rather alot of dosh in the first place. I am very much a team diver which appears to be at odds with the world of rebreathers. etc. However I would not say that I will never dive a rebreather (that would be silly). So being a curious chap I thought I would pop in and have a nose around, ask questions etc. Now thinking of questions why do so many people with rebreathers have more than one, or buy one then sell it for another one? It's the more than one that gets me, especially different flavours. Oh well...... Anyway hello everybody Happy diving Martin
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19th October 2007, 15:30	#2 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,482	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard) OK for those that know me from other forums..... do not get excited, I am here to be nosey and have no intention of going down the Rebreather route! I'm not on any other forums so Hello and Welcome Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard) I am very much a team diver which appears to be at odds with the world of rebreathers. Your other comments I suspect you may already have ideas on why they aren't necessarily accurate. As for Team diving, I see no reason at all not to dive Rebreather in teams, in fact its a good idea as there will be more people around to pinch gas off when the time comes to need it! Rebreather diving in pair or more is great, remember- we can talk to each other as well! Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard) Now thinking of questions why do so many people with rebreathers have more than one, or buy one then sell it for another one? Change of mind, different types of diving, new units become available, old one breaks, Instructors current on multiple units, different unit suitable for travelling, deep pockets? and once you have one, well its only natural to want another- its addictive __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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19th October 2007, 15:50	#3 (permalink)
Martin Burnard New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 9	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) I'm not on any other forums so Hello and Welcome Your other comments I suspect you may already have ideas on why they aren't necessarily accurate. As for Team diving, I see no reason at all not to dive Rebreather in teams, in fact its a good idea as there will be more people around to pinch gas off when the time comes to need it! Rebreather diving in pair or more is great, remember- we can talk to each other as well! Change of mind, different types of diving, new units become available, old one breaks, Instructors current on multiple units, different unit suitable for travelling, deep pockets? and once you have one, well its only natural to want another- its addictive And of course all divers are united by love of more new stuff to play with!
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19th October 2007, 15:51	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard) OK for those that know me from other forums..... do not get excited, I am here to be nosey and have no intention of going down the Rebreather route! Excuse me, but WTF is Martin Burnard ? If you have no ntention of diving a Rebreather, then it is best to lurk and possibly learn instead of making some (IMHO) rather presumptious and could be read as obnoxious comments about people who dive RBs (i.e. team, unsafe, blah-blah) on your first post. BTW, welcome! Last edited by decoweenie : 19th October 2007 at 15:56.
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19th October 2007, 16:15	#5 (permalink)
SteveJ New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Whitby Posts: 98	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard) It will kill me by itself The batteries might fail They don't work Nobody has tested them, you are all guinea pigs. etc Martin Yep, welcome to our world of overpaid, suicidal test pilots
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19th October 2007, 21:02	#6 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,890	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Excuse me, but WTF is Martin Burnard ? If you have no ntention of diving a Rebreather, then it is best to lurk and possibly learn instead of making some (IMHO) rather presumptious and could be read as obnoxious comments about people who dive RBs (i.e. team, unsafe, blah-blah) on your first post. BTW, welcome! Paraphrasing, I think the second word was "Off!" Martin, I think what you really, really want is for us to convince you why you want one. And I think you might be a little tempted already... So why not tell us why you think they are a good thing and we'll take it from there? Knowing the work you do with SeaSearch, I'd say you'll enjoy the closer contact you get with fish. They really, really do come closer and really, really do react to bubbles. The other thing you might like is the lack of worry about breathing gas. It's nice to be limited by deco, not gas. Finally, there is a lot to be said for the warmer, moister air you get to breathe. Other than that, there are plusses and minuses. I'd point out the migration towards RBs and ask yourself why the majority of tech divers seem to be using RBs. It can't all be about status, can it? Anyhow, I know you're not a troll, so ask away. __________________ www.southwestmafia.com It's as easy as abc; a) "Carry adequate bailout" b) "If in doubt, bail out" c) "Always know your PO2" If you find that hard, stick to crochet. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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30th October 2007, 12:35	#7 (permalink)
Martin Burnard New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 9	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Quote: (Originally Posted by Martin Burnard) Why not? Probably the same tired old argument you ahve all heard before! Ie It will kill me by itself The batteries might fail They don't work Nobody has tested them, you are all guinea pigs. OK Keep your hair on I did say the same old tired arguments, so for those who are not sure...... that means I don't agree with them etc In reality it's because I like simplicity, do some dives on trimix but not lots in a year. I am happy with in water time of 90 minutes so not alot of bottom time to be gained from shaved deco (unless I have missed something). My kit gets a hammering (dive in the morning before work, throw the kit in the back of the pickup, forget it for a couple of days, check gas jump in for another dive, throw in the back..... get the idea). They are rather alot of dosh in the first place. Financial viability is not in my favour.... I am very much a team diver which appears to be at odds with the world of rebreathers. A statement based on my limited observations, but this also applies to a lot of OC technical divers in the UK etc. However I would not say that I will never dive a rebreather (that would be silly). I am sure at some stage I said I would never get married or have children, so hence the paragraph above So being a curious chap I thought I would pop in and have a nose around, ask questions etc. Now thinking of questions why do so many people with rebreathers have more than one, or buy one then sell it for another one? It's the more than one that gets me, especially different flavours. Oh well...... Anyway hello everybody Happy diving Martin So now that you get the idea (hopefully) that am here to be curious, you can wind your neck in and be a little less sensitive, then Decoweenie we can insult each properly when appropiate (spelling?). In the meantime I can browse and learn. happy diving Last edited by Martin Burnard : 30th October 2007 at 12:37. Reason: cant' spell decowennn, decoweee, decoweenie!
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30th October 2007, 13:51	#8 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,890	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Bi-curious? Does your wife know? __________________ www.southwestmafia.com It's as easy as abc; a) "Carry adequate bailout" b) "If in doubt, bail out" c) "Always know your PO2" If you find that hard, stick to crochet. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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30th October 2007, 14:03	#9 (permalink)
Martin Burnard New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 9	Re: Martin Burnard Says Hello Mdemon behave or I will pre-breathe your lime, hours before you dive then it will go all lumpy, cleggy, purple, and wet. Then you will have to breathe cold gas like me.
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