APD GCS - Hose routing

iani · 5th July 2005, 19:03

I have the APD Gas Connector System (GCS 100 - 3 hoses & flow stop) but have never got round to fitting it. Can anyone tell me how they route the hoses? I'd like to keep it as streamlined as possible (not easy with the APD harness)

Thanks

Ian

***Beanie*** · 5th July 2005, 19:41

depends what you plumbing it into

if its the ADV the down one side of the lung and back up the other (onboard gas plumbed in)

iani · 5th July 2005, 20:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

depends what you plumbing it into

if its the ADV the down one side of the lung and back up the other (onboard gas plumbed in)

Looking at the hoses it seems I have to connect one of the female ended hoses to the dil bar in place of the normal hose, connect the other female ended hose to my offboard and then connect the male ended hose with the flowstop to the ADV.

My concern is that this arrangement is rather messy and I would like to know how others have routed their hoses around the ADV area.

Thanks

Ian

***Beanie*** · 5th July 2005, 20:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by iani)

Looking at the hoses it seems I have to connect one of the female ended hoses to the dil bar in place of the normal hose, connect the other female ended hose to my offboard and then connect the male ended hose with the flowstop to the ADV.

My concern is that this arrangement is rather messy and I would like to know how others have routed their hoses around the ADV area.

Thanks

Ian

both people I know that use it go on board down the inside of the lung adv down the outside - you don't need the flow stop if the ADV goes just un plumb it
the connection goes across the bottome of the lung
this works well and is probably the neatest way to do it

iani · 5th July 2005, 20:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

both people I know that use it go on board down the inside of the lung adv down the outside - you don't need the flow stop if the ADV goes just un plumb it
the connection goes across the bottome of the lung
this works well and is probably the neatest way to do it

I've fitted the kit for now, routed like you say, the dil hose running down the inner edge of the lung is too short to go inside the channel though (L c/l's) I'll see how it goes on Saturday.

Thanks

Ian

pchanning · 6th July 2005, 13:59

Hi chaps,

I have used the GCS system to connect my OC/CC DSV to either the inboard 3L or offboard stage and would imagine there isn't a whole load of difference to your ADV input, we still have the same issues: routing, ease of assembly, reliability, etc.

I'm not sure about about running the ADV male whip down the inside of the lung, I'd say the outside would be easier. Here it can be fixed with the velcro bits that adorn the lung which helps for location and this position also affords more leverage helping to insert the whip off the stage. Get the fitting at the bottom part of the lung, its to difficult at the top. You've probably realised that connecting things when the system is pressurised is a bitch, so the more help here the better.

I have found that when I ran the GCS system off my stage that the 'seal' inside the unconnected female whip (coming off the inboard) passed suddenly. I had to shut off the cylinder rapid. I must admit to opening the cylinder valve quickly at first but now I treat it very carefully indeed. The prospect of losing the inboard, whilst not life threatening, is not ideal as I would, like many others I'm geussing, lose the wing and the manual inflate. Not so bad as I always have a seperate drysuit inflate, but worth thinking about for those that dont have seperate suit inflation, dive wet or just plain 'trust' the kit..!!
Running everything solely off the box, particularly with the the GCS is, IMHO, dodgy. I think the Ourroorororrorobus principal wins out there.

Out of interest, is your intention to use it for dil switches or to use the ADV as an OC reg without coming off the loop??

HTH

paul channing

iani · 6th July 2005, 14:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr. Greekbird)

Hi chaps,

I have used the GCS system to connect my OC/CC DSV to either the inboard 3L or offboard stage and would imagine there isn't a whole load of difference to your ADV input, we still have the same issues: routing, ease of assembly, reliability, etc.

I'm not sure about about running the ADV male whip down the inside of the lung, I'd say the outside would be easier. Here it can be fixed with the velcro bits that adorn the lung which helps for location and this position also affords more leverage helping to insert the whip off the stage. Get the fitting at the bottom part of the lung, its to difficult at the top. You've probably realised that connecting things when the system is pressurised is a bitch, so the more help here the better.

I have found that when I ran the GCS system off my stage that the 'seal' inside the unconnected female whip (coming off the inboard) passed suddenly. I had to shut off the cylinder rapid. I must admit to opening the cylinder valve quickly at first but now I treat it very carefully indeed. The prospect of losing the inboard, whilst not life threatening, is not ideal as I would, like many others I'm geussing, lose the wing and the manual inflate. Not so bad as I always have a seperate drysuit inflate, but worth thinking about for those that dont have seperate suit inflation, dive wet or just plain 'trust' the kit..!!
Running everything solely off the box, particularly with the the GCS is, IMHO, dodgy. I think the Ourroorororrorobus principal wins out there.

Out of interest, is your intention to use it for dil switches or to use the ADV as an OC reg without coming off the loop??

HTH

paul channing

Paul,

My intention is to use it for Dil switches, on the O2 side I already have a 2nd inflator fitted and have a hose on my rich mix 1st stage that connects there, I wanted the same flexibility on the DIL side. I have a separate suit inflation system already.

Ian

pchanning · 6th July 2005, 17:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by iani)

Paul,

My intention is to use it for Dil switches, on the O2 side I already have a 2nd inflator fitted and have a hose on my rich mix 1st stage that connects there, I wanted the same flexibility on the DIL side. I have a separate suit inflation system already.

Ian

So use the manual inflate for the inboard down to x metres then let the ADV take it the rest of the way??

Any dil flushes on the bottom will have to be 'considered' as the motor memory will be to go for the inflate. Why not keep it simple and unplug the inboard at x metres from the counterlung, plug in the bottom mix stage to the CL and manually keep it up for the decent??

5th July 2005, 19:03	#1 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	APD GCS - Hose routing I have the APD Gas Connector System (GCS 100 - 3 hoses & flow stop) but have never got round to fitting it. Can anyone tell me how they route the hoses? I'd like to keep it as streamlined as possible (not easy with the APD harness) Thanks Ian
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5th July 2005, 19:41	#2 (permalink)
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5th July 2005, 20:10	#3 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) depends what you plumbing it into if its the ADV the down one side of the lung and back up the other (onboard gas plumbed in) Looking at the hoses it seems I have to connect one of the female ended hoses to the dil bar in place of the normal hose, connect the other female ended hose to my offboard and then connect the male ended hose with the flowstop to the ADV. My concern is that this arrangement is rather messy and I would like to know how others have routed their hoses around the ADV area. Thanks Ian
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*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,293	Quote: (Originally Posted by iani) Looking at the hoses it seems I have to connect one of the female ended hoses to the dil bar in place of the normal hose, connect the other female ended hose to my offboard and then connect the male ended hose with the flowstop to the ADV. My concern is that this arrangement is rather messy and I would like to know how others have routed their hoses around the ADV area. Thanks Ian both people I know that use it go on board down the inside of the lung adv down the outside - you don't need the flow stop if the ADV goes just un plumb it the connection goes across the bottome of the lung this works well and is probably the neatest way to do it __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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5th July 2005, 20:45	#5 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) both people I know that use it go on board down the inside of the lung adv down the outside - you don't need the flow stop if the ADV goes just un plumb it the connection goes across the bottome of the lung this works well and is probably the neatest way to do it I've fitted the kit for now, routed like you say, the dil hose running down the inner edge of the lung is too short to go inside the channel though (L c/l's) I'll see how it goes on Saturday. Thanks Ian
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6th July 2005, 13:59	#6 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Hi chaps, I have used the GCS system to connect my OC/CC DSV to either the inboard 3L or offboard stage and would imagine there isn't a whole load of difference to your ADV input, we still have the same issues: routing, ease of assembly, reliability, etc. I'm not sure about about running the ADV male whip down the inside of the lung, I'd say the outside would be easier. Here it can be fixed with the velcro bits that adorn the lung which helps for location and this position also affords more leverage helping to insert the whip off the stage. Get the fitting at the bottom part of the lung, its to difficult at the top. You've probably realised that connecting things when the system is pressurised is a bitch, so the more help here the better. I have found that when I ran the GCS system off my stage that the 'seal' inside the unconnected female whip (coming off the inboard) passed suddenly. I had to shut off the cylinder rapid. I must admit to opening the cylinder valve quickly at first but now I treat it very carefully indeed. The prospect of losing the inboard, whilst not life threatening, is not ideal as I would, like many others I'm geussing, lose the wing and the manual inflate. Not so bad as I always have a seperate drysuit inflate, but worth thinking about for those that dont have seperate suit inflation, dive wet or just plain 'trust' the kit..!! Running everything solely off the box, particularly with the the GCS is, IMHO, dodgy. I think the Ourroorororrorobus principal wins out there. Out of interest, is your intention to use it for dil switches or to use the ADV as an OC reg without coming off the loop?? HTH paul channing
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6th July 2005, 14:58	#7 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr. Greekbird) Hi chaps, I have used the GCS system to connect my OC/CC DSV to either the inboard 3L or offboard stage and would imagine there isn't a whole load of difference to your ADV input, we still have the same issues: routing, ease of assembly, reliability, etc. I'm not sure about about running the ADV male whip down the inside of the lung, I'd say the outside would be easier. Here it can be fixed with the velcro bits that adorn the lung which helps for location and this position also affords more leverage helping to insert the whip off the stage. Get the fitting at the bottom part of the lung, its to difficult at the top. You've probably realised that connecting things when the system is pressurised is a bitch, so the more help here the better. I have found that when I ran the GCS system off my stage that the 'seal' inside the unconnected female whip (coming off the inboard) passed suddenly. I had to shut off the cylinder rapid. I must admit to opening the cylinder valve quickly at first but now I treat it very carefully indeed. The prospect of losing the inboard, whilst not life threatening, is not ideal as I would, like many others I'm geussing, lose the wing and the manual inflate. Not so bad as I always have a seperate drysuit inflate, but worth thinking about for those that dont have seperate suit inflation, dive wet or just plain 'trust' the kit..!! Running everything solely off the box, particularly with the the GCS is, IMHO, dodgy. I think the Ourroorororrorobus principal wins out there. Out of interest, is your intention to use it for dil switches or to use the ADV as an OC reg without coming off the loop?? HTH paul channing Paul, My intention is to use it for Dil switches, on the O2 side I already have a 2nd inflator fitted and have a hose on my rich mix 1st stage that connects there, I wanted the same flexibility on the DIL side. I have a separate suit inflation system already. Ian
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6th July 2005, 17:44	#8 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Quote: (Originally Posted by iani) Paul, My intention is to use it for Dil switches, on the O2 side I already have a 2nd inflator fitted and have a hose on my rich mix 1st stage that connects there, I wanted the same flexibility on the DIL side. I have a separate suit inflation system already. Ian So use the manual inflate for the inboard down to x metres then let the ADV take it the rest of the way?? Any dil flushes on the bottom will have to be 'considered' as the motor memory will be to go for the inflate. Why not keep it simple and unplug the inboard at x metres from the counterlung, plug in the bottom mix stage to the CL and manually keep it up for the decent??
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