hammer head (juergensen marine)

Andy · 26th February 2005, 20:35

has any body got one and what do they think of it

Andy

diver60m · 17th July 2005, 17:51

hi got had it about 12mounths love it no probs

Mark Chase · 17th July 2005, 19:27

Hi

I have been seriously considering one of these. I have read about a 50/50 split of divers totally pissed off with trying to get there units working / fixed and divers who have had no problems. One thing I have found is there are new hard wired hand sets available that overcome the issues of the fisher connectors between the head and the wrist units. As someone who has already suffered the problems of faulty Fischer connectors I would strongly suggest this is the path to take. Obviously this means you can’t use the hand sets as a stand alone deco computer but is that a problem?

I am still undecided on getting the head. It would save me about £900 over selling my unit and getting the vision but at least with the vision I can drive to the factory.

ATB

Mark Chase

Andy · 17th July 2005, 21:50

Thanks guys i got a hammer head a few months back for my home build and i have finihed it today

dry dived it and it works great

and i must say kevin could not be more helpfull take him a few days to reply sometimes. Ihave also fitted a buddy light to the HUD outputs and this also works fine. Im running the hammerhead along side a kiss valve so the hammer head is back up for the kiss taking it to the pool on tuesday for it first dip

Andy

Philippe GERIN · 18th July 2005, 17:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I have read about a 50/50 split of divers totally pissed off

I'm in the 50% pissed off, not with the unit but with the man. And when I say pissed off, I f*#cking mean it

Best
Philippe

**RichClark** · 18th July 2005, 18:00

Care to explain why Philippe?

Cheers

Rich

Philippe GERIN · 18th July 2005, 18:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark)

Care to explain why Philippe?
Cheers
Rich

Sure, now that the guy really pissed me off and after I've tried for months and months (about 1 millions phone calls (voice mails because he never picks up), 2 millions e-mails and a few snail mails) to settle the matter privately with him, I think I can make it public. I am very disappointed as I thought the man was a serious chap.
I was in the first run of HH (prototype) for the Classic Kiss, he promissed to deliver the latest version of the controllers at the time. Instead he sent me a (very) earlier version: not even with GF deco and that was one of the reason I wanted to get the HH (GF deco on line and SP controler). Never cared to explain, never answered to any of my attempts to reach him. After a few months I sent him back the whole lot asking for my $ back. Never responded, no news. He's acting like he doesn't care "because he's busy with a huge task" (Diverite Optima). Well, we're all busy guys, right? and he's the one selling stuff so he should at least give a minimal service.
Bottom line: Today I have no HH and he keeps the $. I'm mad with the guy. I'm really REALLY pissed off. It seems that the guys can give his word but takes it back as soon as he needs it.
Best
Philippe

TechBlue · 18th July 2005, 19:17

I'm in the same boat as Philippe I ordered a HH for one of our prototypes and I received a used set even with the original owners name still on the handset. I returned them immediately and waited and waited and finally after months I got a brand new set with no switches in either handset no solenoid or DIVA, I asked for my money back and I get the same response as Philippe does to many phone calls and emails. I haven't sent the units back as I can't get hold of Kevin but they are totally useless and I am out of pocket a couple of grand.

***jradomski*** · 18th July 2005, 20:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by Philippe GERIN)

Sure, now that the guy really pissed me off and after I've tried for months and months (about 1 millions phone calls (voice mails because he never picks up), 2 millions e-mails and a few snail mails) to settle the matter privately with him, I think I can make it public. I am very disappointed as I thought the man was a serious chap.
I was in the first run of HH (prototype) for the Classic Kiss, he promissed to deliver the latest version of the controllers at the time. Instead he sent me a (very) earlier version: not even with GF deco and that was one of the reason I wanted to get the HH (GF deco on line and SP controler). Never cared to explain, never answered to any of my attempts to reach him. After a few months I sent him back the whole lot asking for my $ back. Never responded, no news. He's acting like he doesn't care "because he's busy with a huge task" (Diverite Optima). Well, we're all busy guys, right? and he's the one selling stuff so he should at least give a minimal service.
Bottom line: Today I have no HH and he keeps the $. I'm mad with the guy. I'm really REALLY pissed off. It seems that the guys can give his word but takes it back as soon as he needs it.
Best
Philippe

I spoke to Kevin, He told me the enitre story about the discounted HH, the HUD credit and payment for some machined swagelok connectors.. He also told me he would send me a response to post publicly... When I get it I will post it as I get it, so Its his words not mine.... but in the meantime here is some info for you..

The time the KISS HH were shipping REV A boards were the only reliable boards, there were some rev B boards but they had lots of tbls (as of late last summer I was still having my people request rev A boards from him).. I didn't ask him which ones he gave you... GF deco HAS been in the HH since day 1, it took about 6 months to get a Programable GF and better preset values..

EVen the people who bought paid for the earliest HH for the inspiration had to pay to upgrade to rev b and rev c boards.. (I have 1 of each... This Rev b works almost as advertised (wet switch takess too long to timeout (shutoff), the rev c is perfect, the next rev c+ will be out shortly)

decoweenie · 18th July 2005, 20:16

First of all, Kevin is a friend of mine and I agree that he is not the fastest guy in the world when it comes to providing turn-around service to everyone. But close to the 8-years that I know Kevin, he has always came thru for everything that he promised me *eventually*.

IFAIK, it is because he has always been a very busy man way before he even started to build HH-anything. Back when he was working mainly on MK-15, it was not super fast for everyone but on the special occasions, I was able to push him to turn emergency fixes for me within a few days (received overseas as well).

But during the last few years, I agree that he took on so much work that it is difficult to get a hold of him...

But he always came thru... He delivered all (AFAIK) of the KISS-HH units ordered and even built the MK-15 HH for me. I even had 2 different versions of the KISS-HH to test and report to the KISS list.

I don't know the story about Chris (Tech-Blue), but I have heard a completely different story about Philippe's unit. Since Kevin is not on this list to defend himself and give his side of the story (if he cares to), I have sent him an email about this post so he could decide to join the discussion or not. Up to him...

From time to time, I have read "horror" story posted on the Internet about Kevin. And when I talked on the phone with him, he told me his side of the story and it was not the same. I am sure the truth is somewhere in between...

26th February 2005, 20:35	#1 (permalink)
Andy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stanwick (UK) Posts: 48	hammer head (juergensen marine) has any body got one and what do they think of it Andy
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17th July 2005, 17:51	#2 (permalink)
diver60m New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1	hi got had it about 12mounths love it no probs
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17th July 2005, 19:27	#3 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,825	Hi I have been seriously considering one of these. I have read about a 50/50 split of divers totally pissed off with trying to get there units working / fixed and divers who have had no problems. One thing I have found is there are new hard wired hand sets available that overcome the issues of the fisher connectors between the head and the wrist units. As someone who has already suffered the problems of faulty Fischer connectors I would strongly suggest this is the path to take. Obviously this means you can’t use the hand sets as a stand alone deco computer but is that a problem? I am still undecided on getting the head. It would save me about £900 over selling my unit and getting the vision but at least with the vision I can drive to the factory. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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17th July 2005, 21:50	#4 (permalink)
Andy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stanwick (UK) Posts: 48	Hammer head Thanks guys i got a hammer head a few months back for my home build and i have finihed it today dry dived it and it works great and i must say kevin could not be more helpfull take him a few days to reply sometimes. Ihave also fitted a buddy light to the HUD outputs and this also works fine. Im running the hammerhead along side a kiss valve so the hammer head is back up for the kiss taking it to the pool on tuesday for it first dip Andy
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18th July 2005, 17:23	#5 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 647	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) I have read about a 50/50 split of divers totally pissed off I'm in the 50% pissed off, not with the unit but with the man. And when I say pissed off, I f*#cking mean it Best Philippe
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18th July 2005, 18:00	#6 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 791	Care to explain why Philippe? Cheers Rich __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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18th July 2005, 18:27	#7 (permalink)
Philippe GERIN ccr apprentice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Strasbourg, France Posts: 647	Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark) Care to explain why Philippe? Cheers Rich Sure, now that the guy really pissed me off and after I've tried for months and months (about 1 millions phone calls (voice mails because he never picks up), 2 millions e-mails and a few snail mails) to settle the matter privately with him, I think I can make it public. I am very disappointed as I thought the man was a serious chap. I was in the first run of HH (prototype) for the Classic Kiss, he promissed to deliver the latest version of the controllers at the time. Instead he sent me a (very) earlier version: not even with GF deco and that was one of the reason I wanted to get the HH (GF deco on line and SP controler). Never cared to explain, never answered to any of my attempts to reach him. After a few months I sent him back the whole lot asking for my $ back. Never responded, no news. He's acting like he doesn't care "because he's busy with a huge task" (Diverite Optima). Well, we're all busy guys, right? and he's the one selling stuff so he should at least give a minimal service. Bottom line: Today I have no HH and he keeps the $. I'm mad with the guy. I'm really REALLY pissed off. It seems that the guys can give his word but takes it back as soon as he needs it. Best Philippe
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18th July 2005, 19:17	#8 (permalink)
TechBlue RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Optima Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Costa del Sol, Spain Posts: 212	I'm in the same boat as Philippe I ordered a HH for one of our prototypes and I received a used set even with the original owners name still on the handset. I returned them immediately and waited and waited and finally after months I got a brand new set with no switches in either handset no solenoid or DIVA, I asked for my money back and I get the same response as Philippe does to many phone calls and emails. I haven't sent the units back as I can't get hold of Kevin but they are totally useless and I am out of pocket a couple of grand. __________________ Cheers, Chris www.tech-blue.com The site dedicated to Rebreather and Technical diving "We only sell what we dive"
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18th July 2005, 20:08	#9 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,096	Quote: (Originally Posted by Philippe GERIN) Sure, now that the guy really pissed me off and after I've tried for months and months (about 1 millions phone calls (voice mails because he never picks up), 2 millions e-mails and a few snail mails) to settle the matter privately with him, I think I can make it public. I am very disappointed as I thought the man was a serious chap. I was in the first run of HH (prototype) for the Classic Kiss, he promissed to deliver the latest version of the controllers at the time. Instead he sent me a (very) earlier version: not even with GF deco and that was one of the reason I wanted to get the HH (GF deco on line and SP controler). Never cared to explain, never answered to any of my attempts to reach him. After a few months I sent him back the whole lot asking for my $ back. Never responded, no news. He's acting like he doesn't care "because he's busy with a huge task" (Diverite Optima). Well, we're all busy guys, right? and he's the one selling stuff so he should at least give a minimal service. Bottom line: Today I have no HH and he keeps the $. I'm mad with the guy. I'm really REALLY pissed off. It seems that the guys can give his word but takes it back as soon as he needs it. Best Philippe I spoke to Kevin, He told me the enitre story about the discounted HH, the HUD credit and payment for some machined swagelok connectors.. He also told me he would send me a response to post publicly... When I get it I will post it as I get it, so Its his words not mine.... but in the meantime here is some info for you.. The time the KISS HH were shipping REV A boards were the only reliable boards, there were some rev B boards but they had lots of tbls (as of late last summer I was still having my people request rev A boards from him).. I didn't ask him which ones he gave you... GF deco HAS been in the HH since day 1, it took about 6 months to get a Programable GF and better preset values.. EVen the people who bought paid for the earliest HH for the inspiration had to pay to upgrade to rev b and rev c boards.. (I have 1 of each... This Rev b works almost as advertised (wet switch takess too long to timeout (shutoff), the rev c is perfect, the next rev c+ will be out shortly) __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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18th July 2005, 20:16	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	First of all, Kevin is a friend of mine and I agree that he is not the fastest guy in the world when it comes to providing turn-around service to everyone. But close to the 8-years that I know Kevin, he has always came thru for everything that he promised me eventually. IFAIK, it is because he has always been a very busy man way before he even started to build HH-anything. Back when he was working mainly on MK-15, it was not super fast for everyone but on the special occasions, I was able to push him to turn emergency fixes for me within a few days (received overseas as well). But during the last few years, I agree that he took on so much work that it is difficult to get a hold of him... But he always came thru... He delivered all (AFAIK) of the KISS-HH units ordered and even built the MK-15 HH for me. I even had 2 different versions of the KISS-HH to test and report to the KISS list. I don't know the story about Chris (Tech-Blue), but I have heard a completely different story about Philippe's unit. Since Kevin is not on this list to defend himself and give his side of the story (if he cares to), I have sent him an email about this post so he could decide to join the discussion or not. Up to him... From time to time, I have read "horror" story posted on the Internet about Kevin. And when I talked on the phone with him, he told me his side of the story and it was not the same. I am sure the truth is somewhere in between...
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