Vision timer problem

aki · 1st November 2006, 10:02

Last weekend I noticed some abnormalities in my Vision's timer. The timer seems to have it's own life as you can see below. I'm running 02.01.02 software.

7.10.2006

Total Time On Unit : 109:42 hh:mm
Total Dive Time : 40:08 hh:mm

14.10.2006

Total Time on Unit : 1092:48 hh:mm
Total Dive Time : 278569:04 hh:mm

14.10.2006

Total Time On Unit : 279618:59 hh:mm
Total Dive Time : 278571:03 hh:mm

15.10.2006

Total Time on Unit : 0:03 hh:mm
Total Dive Time : 278575:54 hh:mm

...

28.10.2006

Total Time On Unit : 2:57 hh:mm
Total Dive Time : 278577:47 hh:mm
Elapsed On Time : 14:10 hh:mm

29.10.2006

Total Time On Unit : 1:44 hh:mm
Total Dive Time : 1:00 hh:mm
Elapsed on Time : 1091:07 hh:mm

Otherwise the unit hasn't had any major issues, except once C2 didn't automatically take over C1 when B1 ran out and I had to do it manually. Also sometimes the surface time doesn't go on, but I understood that this can be solved by pressing the power on button as long as unit has beeped 4 times at the start up.

pabusk · 1st November 2006, 13:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by aki)

Otherwise the unit hasn't had any major issues, except once C2 didn't automatically take over C1 when B1 ran out and I had to do it manually. Also sometimes the surface time doesn't go on, but I understood that this can be solved by pressing the power on button as long as unit has beeped 4 times at the start up.

Isn't that supposed to work that way. C1 will work via B2 when B1 fails and the alarm can be suppreessed by holding the right button down for 2 seconds.

The old system had a battery per controller. In the Vission the batteries are shared first depleting one battery than switch the controller to the second battery if the first fails. It's not like the classic where a battery alarm meant switching controllers. In the vission the controller switches battery.

Cheers,
Paul

GARRYB · 1st November 2006, 13:50

You need to download from AP website the latest version of software released around Feb this year ,as my previous version of vison software supplied from new also had timer bug however since the upload I have experienced no problems .

Hope this helps

Regards

Garry B

aki · 1st November 2006, 14:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by pabusk)

Isn't that supposed to work that way. C1 will work via B2 when B1 fails and the alarm can be suppreessed by holding the right button down for 2 seconds.

The old system had a battery per controller. In the Vission the batteries are shared first depleting one battery than switch the controller to the second battery if the first fails. It's not like the classic where a battery alarm meant switching controllers. In the vission the controller switches battery.

Actually yes. I just took a look at the manual and in situation where B1 reaches LOW BATTERY status B2 will be automatically promoted to master status.

Quote: (Originally Posted by GARRYB)

You need to download from AP website the latest version of software released around Feb this year ,as my previous version of vison software supplied from new also had timer bug however since the upload I have experienced no problems .

I do have the recent version of the software, releasen in July. I've contacted APD and sent some files to Nicky. Lets see what they can dig out from the files.

--
Aki

**Gill Envy** · 1st November 2006, 22:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by aki)

Actually yes. I just took a look at the manual and in situation where B1 reaches LOW BATTERY status B2 will be automatically promoted to master status.

I do have the recent version of the software, releasen in July. I've contacted APD and sent some files to Nicky. Lets see what they can dig out from the files.

--
Aki

what batteries are you using? I'm wondering if that may make a difference. I'm starting to think these issues are more voltage issues than software issues. I was testing some batteries the other day by briefly putting them in B1 and starting up the unit. turns out i had gotten a few nearly dead ones mixed in and after turning the controller on and off with each battery i tried, a missed deco alarm came on (the dead batteries it turns out were past there expiration date).

It seems that the system is very sensitive to drops in voltage or low voltage, the timers in particular. I've seen a drop in voltage and subsequant hand off to B2 in another unit trip the cns alarm on a unit my wife was barrowing. the battery got low toward the end of the dive and on the way up the increased and prolonged draw of the solenoid working to sustain the po2 drew down the battery before the system had a chance to swap to B2...or so it seems in retrospect.

I think there is something to using the fijitsu battery and now it seems the duracell ultra will do the job too. both seem to be able to sustain adequate voltage with the ups and downs of the solenoid to prevent the controllers from being robbed so much juice that the clock gets thrown off... and there is more than one clock, one may get effected and the other may not...or so it seems.

i do not have the latest software in my unit, my wife's does have the latest. Since religiously holding down the power button for three seconds and using duracell ultra batteries neither of us have had issues with either the latest software or the previous version. I'm seriously thinking this is at the very least not always a software issue, or possibly not a software issue int he first place...that would explain why new version continue to have the same old problems...are you listening AP?

i've concluded that it's best not to push the batteries, even the right brand batteries. I'm keeping an eye on the batteries on the ascent at the end of each dive and making a note of how charged they are then...after 17 hours of actual dive time, i'm tending to chuck them... or give them to a friend to use up in their camera. None of this is fact, just passing on some observations and possible explanations.

hope that helps

aki · 1st November 2006, 22:56

At the time of the low battery problem I had Fujitsu as B1 and Duracell Ultra as B2. Now I have Varta batteries in both B1 and B2. I'm thinking going to Duracell Ultra after these are dead.

--
Aki

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

what batteries are you using? I'm wondering if that may make a difference. I'm starting to think these issues are more voltage issues than software issues. I was testing some batteries the other day by briefly putting them in B1 and starting up the unit. turns out i had gotten a few nearly dead ones mixed in and after turning the controller on and off with each battery i tried, a missed deco alarm came on (the dead batteries it turns out were past there expiration date).

It seems that the system is very sensitive to drops in voltage or low voltage, the timers in particular. I've seen a drop in voltage and subsequant hand off to B2 in another unit trip the cns alarm on a unit my wife was barrowing. the battery got low toward the end of the dive and on the way up the increased and prolonged draw of the solenoid working to sustain the po2 drew down the battery before the system had a chance to swap to B2...or so it seems in retrospect.

I think there is something to using the fijitsu battery and now it seems the duracell ultra will do the job too. both seem to be able to sustain adequate voltage with the ups and downs of the solenoid to prevent the controllers from being robbed so much juice that the clock gets thrown off... and there is more than one clock, one may get effected and the other may not...or so it seems.

i do not have the latest software in my unit, my wife's does have the latest. Since religiously holding down the power button for three seconds and using duracell ultra batteries neither of us have had issues with either the latest software or the previous version. I'm seriously thinking this is at the very least not always a software issue, or possibly not a software issue int he first place...that would explain why new version continue to have the same old problems...are you listening AP?

i've concluded that it's best not to push the batteries, even the right brand batteries. I'm keeping an eye on the batteries on the ascent at the end of each dive and making a note of how charged they are then...after 17 hours of actual dive time, i'm tending to chuck them... or give them to a friend to use up in their camera. None of this is fact, just passing on some observations and possible explanations.

hope that helps

**Gill Envy** · 1st November 2006, 23:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by aki)

At the time of the low battery problem I had Fujitsu as B1 and Duracell Ultra as B2. Now I have Varta batteries in both B1 and B2. I'm thinking going to Duracell Ultra after these are dead.

--
Aki

you were using fujitsu's at the time of this...not good. hmm, hope the duracells do the trick...along with holding down that power button. if these problems persist even with the right batteries, it points to a recall to me since they seem unable to adjust the software adequately to deal with the problem. a recall just would not be such a big deal if only there were regional service centers. these issues need to be solved once and for all or i'm switching to the first new unit that has a co2 monitor and temp stick and after some time to see that it's reliable... i'm in no rush, can deal for now

1st November 2006, 10:02	#1 (permalink)
aki Inspiration Vision Diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Stockholm. Sweden Posts: 117	Vision timer problem Last weekend I noticed some abnormalities in my Vision's timer. The timer seems to have it's own life as you can see below. I'm running 02.01.02 software. 7.10.2006 Total Time On Unit : 109:42 hh:mm Total Dive Time : 40:08 hh:mm 14.10.2006 Total Time on Unit : 1092:48 hh:mm Total Dive Time : 278569:04 hh:mm 14.10.2006 Total Time On Unit : 279618:59 hh:mm Total Dive Time : 278571:03 hh:mm 15.10.2006 Total Time on Unit : 0:03 hh:mm Total Dive Time : 278575:54 hh:mm ... 28.10.2006 Total Time On Unit : 2:57 hh:mm Total Dive Time : 278577:47 hh:mm Elapsed On Time : 14:10 hh:mm 29.10.2006 Total Time On Unit : 1:44 hh:mm Total Dive Time : 1:00 hh:mm Elapsed on Time : 1091:07 hh:mm Otherwise the unit hasn't had any major issues, except once C2 didn't automatically take over C1 when B1 ran out and I had to do it manually. Also sometimes the surface time doesn't go on, but I understood that this can be solved by pressing the power on button as long as unit has beeped 4 times at the start up.
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1st November 2006, 13:28	#2 (permalink)
pabusk Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 133	Re: Vision timer problem Quote: (Originally Posted by aki) Otherwise the unit hasn't had any major issues, except once C2 didn't automatically take over C1 when B1 ran out and I had to do it manually. Also sometimes the surface time doesn't go on, but I understood that this can be solved by pressing the power on button as long as unit has beeped 4 times at the start up. Isn't that supposed to work that way. C1 will work via B2 when B1 fails and the alarm can be suppreessed by holding the right button down for 2 seconds. The old system had a battery per controller. In the Vission the batteries are shared first depleting one battery than switch the controller to the second battery if the first fails. It's not like the classic where a battery alarm meant switching controllers. In the vission the controller switches battery. Cheers, Paul
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1st November 2006, 13:50	#3 (permalink)
GARRYB New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: jersey channel islands Posts: 11	Re: Vision timer problem You need to download from AP website the latest version of software released around Feb this year ,as my previous version of vison software supplied from new also had timer bug however since the upload I have experienced no problems . Hope this helps Regards Garry B
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1st November 2006, 14:01	#4 (permalink)
aki Inspiration Vision Diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Stockholm. Sweden Posts: 117	Re: Vision timer problem Quote: (Originally Posted by pabusk) Isn't that supposed to work that way. C1 will work via B2 when B1 fails and the alarm can be suppreessed by holding the right button down for 2 seconds. The old system had a battery per controller. In the Vission the batteries are shared first depleting one battery than switch the controller to the second battery if the first fails. It's not like the classic where a battery alarm meant switching controllers. In the vission the controller switches battery. Actually yes. I just took a look at the manual and in situation where B1 reaches LOW BATTERY status B2 will be automatically promoted to master status. Quote: (Originally Posted by GARRYB) You need to download from AP website the latest version of software released around Feb this year ,as my previous version of vison software supplied from new also had timer bug however since the upload I have experienced no problems . I do have the recent version of the software, releasen in July. I've contacted APD and sent some files to Nicky. Lets see what they can dig out from the files. -- Aki
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1st November 2006, 22:28	#5 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,341	Re: Vision timer problem Quote: (Originally Posted by aki) Actually yes. I just took a look at the manual and in situation where B1 reaches LOW BATTERY status B2 will be automatically promoted to master status. I do have the recent version of the software, releasen in July. I've contacted APD and sent some files to Nicky. Lets see what they can dig out from the files. -- Aki what batteries are you using? I'm wondering if that may make a difference. I'm starting to think these issues are more voltage issues than software issues. I was testing some batteries the other day by briefly putting them in B1 and starting up the unit. turns out i had gotten a few nearly dead ones mixed in and after turning the controller on and off with each battery i tried, a missed deco alarm came on (the dead batteries it turns out were past there expiration date). It seems that the system is very sensitive to drops in voltage or low voltage, the timers in particular. I've seen a drop in voltage and subsequant hand off to B2 in another unit trip the cns alarm on a unit my wife was barrowing. the battery got low toward the end of the dive and on the way up the increased and prolonged draw of the solenoid working to sustain the po2 drew down the battery before the system had a chance to swap to B2...or so it seems in retrospect. I think there is something to using the fijitsu battery and now it seems the duracell ultra will do the job too. both seem to be able to sustain adequate voltage with the ups and downs of the solenoid to prevent the controllers from being robbed so much juice that the clock gets thrown off... and there is more than one clock, one may get effected and the other may not...or so it seems. i do not have the latest software in my unit, my wife's does have the latest. Since religiously holding down the power button for three seconds and using duracell ultra batteries neither of us have had issues with either the latest software or the previous version. I'm seriously thinking this is at the very least not always a software issue, or possibly not a software issue int he first place...that would explain why new version continue to have the same old problems...are you listening AP? i've concluded that it's best not to push the batteries, even the right brand batteries. I'm keeping an eye on the batteries on the ascent at the end of each dive and making a note of how charged they are then...after 17 hours of actual dive time, i'm tending to chuck them... or give them to a friend to use up in their camera. None of this is fact, just passing on some observations and possible explanations. hope that helps __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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1st November 2006, 22:56	#6 (permalink)
aki Inspiration Vision Diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Stockholm. Sweden Posts: 117	Re: Vision timer problem At the time of the low battery problem I had Fujitsu as B1 and Duracell Ultra as B2. Now I have Varta batteries in both B1 and B2. I'm thinking going to Duracell Ultra after these are dead. -- Aki Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) what batteries are you using? I'm wondering if that may make a difference. I'm starting to think these issues are more voltage issues than software issues. I was testing some batteries the other day by briefly putting them in B1 and starting up the unit. turns out i had gotten a few nearly dead ones mixed in and after turning the controller on and off with each battery i tried, a missed deco alarm came on (the dead batteries it turns out were past there expiration date). It seems that the system is very sensitive to drops in voltage or low voltage, the timers in particular. I've seen a drop in voltage and subsequant hand off to B2 in another unit trip the cns alarm on a unit my wife was barrowing. the battery got low toward the end of the dive and on the way up the increased and prolonged draw of the solenoid working to sustain the po2 drew down the battery before the system had a chance to swap to B2...or so it seems in retrospect. I think there is something to using the fijitsu battery and now it seems the duracell ultra will do the job too. both seem to be able to sustain adequate voltage with the ups and downs of the solenoid to prevent the controllers from being robbed so much juice that the clock gets thrown off... and there is more than one clock, one may get effected and the other may not...or so it seems. i do not have the latest software in my unit, my wife's does have the latest. Since religiously holding down the power button for three seconds and using duracell ultra batteries neither of us have had issues with either the latest software or the previous version. I'm seriously thinking this is at the very least not always a software issue, or possibly not a software issue int he first place...that would explain why new version continue to have the same old problems...are you listening AP? i've concluded that it's best not to push the batteries, even the right brand batteries. I'm keeping an eye on the batteries on the ascent at the end of each dive and making a note of how charged they are then...after 17 hours of actual dive time, i'm tending to chuck them... or give them to a friend to use up in their camera. None of this is fact, just passing on some observations and possible explanations. hope that helps
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1st November 2006, 23:12	#7 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,341	Re: Vision timer problem Quote: (Originally Posted by aki) At the time of the low battery problem I had Fujitsu as B1 and Duracell Ultra as B2. Now I have Varta batteries in both B1 and B2. I'm thinking going to Duracell Ultra after these are dead. -- Aki you were using fujitsu's at the time of this...not good. hmm, hope the duracells do the trick...along with holding down that power button. if these problems persist even with the right batteries, it points to a recall to me since they seem unable to adjust the software adequately to deal with the problem. a recall just would not be such a big deal if only there were regional service centers. these issues need to be solved once and for all or i'm switching to the first new unit that has a co2 monitor and temp stick and after some time to see that it's reliable... i'm in no rush, can deal for now __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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