Need to replace LCD? Sartek!

jkaterenchuk · 13th October 2006, 23:15

I was speaking to Sartek about a light today and they mentioned that they now handle replacement of Inspiration handset LED's. Since I do not have a current problem I did not inquire further but later thought that this might be useful information for others.

decoweenie · 14th October 2006, 06:27

I know Carl has been playing with OLED handset replacements...

jkaterenchuk · 14th October 2006, 13:18

Looks like a great upgrade or replacement for the non-backlite display!

billy · 14th October 2006, 14:45

decoweenie,

Do we know anything about the power consumption of the OLED compared with the backlit lcd ?

It will be less but i would like to know how much if possible.

Thanks

decoweenie · 14th October 2006, 14:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by billy)

Do we know anything about the power consumption of the OLED compared with the backlit lcd ?

The person to ask is Carl at Sartek.

***EBT*** · 14th October 2006, 16:58

In this particular implementation its power consumption is noise, compared to the consumption of the solenoid.

DepthCharge · 15th October 2006, 04:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk)

I was speaking to Sartek about a light today and they mentioned that they now handle replacement of Inspiration handset LED's. Since I do not have a current problem I did not inquire further but later thought that this might be useful information for others.

I e-mailed Carl, what he said essentially was that he could be convinced to do it, but Sartek in not factory authorised to do it. He was very honest about it, saying that there is a chance of destroying the electronics. He also said that it was a PITA due to the potting. He didn't quote me a price, but from the sounds of it, it wont be cheap (but Carl is very reasonable in his pricing for work).
The main stumbling block as I see it is if done, and the unit has to back to APD for repair, the OLED would be taken out and the old type LCD put back in.

Carls · 15th October 2006, 06:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by DepthCharge)

I e-mailed Carl, what he said essentially was that he could be convinced to do it, but Sartek in not factory authorised to do it. He was very honest about it, saying that there is a chance of destroying the electronics. He also said that it was a PITA due to the potting. He didn't quote me a price, but from the sounds of it, it wont be cheap (but Carl is very reasonable in his pricing for work).
The main stumbling block as I see it is if done, and the unit has to back to APD for repair, the OLED would be taken out and the old type LCD put back in.

The pictures are of my friend's unit whose LCD died. SDS told him that it would be $1700 for repair or $5000 for Vision electronics. My buddy has been in the electronics repair field for many years and he decided to take a chance on repairing them himself. He replaced both of his LCDs with OLEDs and I think they look great. He said it was a real pain because the electronics are fully potted in clear compound. He said that he never wanted to do that again, but I think I could convince him. I have done the repair and it is a real pain to do with the possibility of killing the electronics, but at this point SDS isn't giving people too many options, and the trade in for working or non-working units isn't that different from what I hear. I really don't think that SDS would take the trouble to unpot and repot the electronics. I think that it would probably make more sense for them to sell you another set. I wanted to find out how many people had this problem and if it would be worthwhile to repair them. The OLED uses much less power than the LCD with the backlight (about 30ma for the OLED, depending on the number of characters illuminated, my measurements of the running current for the electronics without the display was about 20ma) Carl

DepthCharge · 15th October 2006, 07:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Carls)

The pictures are of my friend's unit whose LCD died. SDS told him that it would be $1700 for repair or $5000 for Vision electronics. My buddy has been in the electronics repair field for many years and he decided to take a chance on repairing them himself. He replaced both of his LCDs with OLEDs and I think they look great. He said it was a real pain because the electronics are fully potted in clear compound. He said that he never wanted to do that again, but I think I could convince him. I have done the repair and it is a real pain to do with the possibility of killing the electronics, but at this point SDS isn't giving people too many options, and the trade in for working or non-working units isn't that different from what I hear. I really don't think that SDS would take the trouble to unpot and repot the electronics. I think that it would probably make more sense for them to sell you another set. I wanted to find out how many people had this problem and if it would be worthwhile to repair them. The OLED uses much less power than the LCD with the backlight (about 30ma for the OLED, depending on the number of characters illuminated, my measurements of the running current for the electronics without the display was about 20ma) Carl

So what price are you concidering to replace them? I agree that APD (policy setter) is sh*& when it comes to replacement/upgrade prices.

billy · 15th October 2006, 08:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Carls)

The OLED uses much less power than the LCD with the backlight (about 30ma for the OLED, depending on the number of characters illuminated, my measurements of the running current for the electronics without the display was about 20ma) Carl

Thanks Carl for the update

13th October 2006, 23:15	#1 (permalink)
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14th October 2006, 14:52	#5 (permalink)
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15th October 2006, 04:23	#7 (permalink)
DepthCharge New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: upstate NY Posts: 233	Re: Need to replace LCD? Sartek! Quote: (Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk) I was speaking to Sartek about a light today and they mentioned that they now handle replacement of Inspiration handset LED's. Since I do not have a current problem I did not inquire further but later thought that this might be useful information for others. I e-mailed Carl, what he said essentially was that he could be convinced to do it, but Sartek in not factory authorised to do it. He was very honest about it, saying that there is a chance of destroying the electronics. He also said that it was a PITA due to the potting. He didn't quote me a price, but from the sounds of it, it wont be cheap (but Carl is very reasonable in his pricing for work). The main stumbling block as I see it is if done, and the unit has to back to APD for repair, the OLED would be taken out and the old type LCD put back in. __________________ Later, John It's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission
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15th October 2006, 06:04	#8 (permalink)
Carls New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11	Re: Need to replace LCD? Sartek! Quote: (Originally Posted by DepthCharge) I e-mailed Carl, what he said essentially was that he could be convinced to do it, but Sartek in not factory authorised to do it. He was very honest about it, saying that there is a chance of destroying the electronics. He also said that it was a PITA due to the potting. He didn't quote me a price, but from the sounds of it, it wont be cheap (but Carl is very reasonable in his pricing for work). The main stumbling block as I see it is if done, and the unit has to back to APD for repair, the OLED would be taken out and the old type LCD put back in. The pictures are of my friend's unit whose LCD died. SDS told him that it would be $1700 for repair or $5000 for Vision electronics. My buddy has been in the electronics repair field for many years and he decided to take a chance on repairing them himself. He replaced both of his LCDs with OLEDs and I think they look great. He said it was a real pain because the electronics are fully potted in clear compound. He said that he never wanted to do that again, but I think I could convince him. I have done the repair and it is a real pain to do with the possibility of killing the electronics, but at this point SDS isn't giving people too many options, and the trade in for working or non-working units isn't that different from what I hear. I really don't think that SDS would take the trouble to unpot and repot the electronics. I think that it would probably make more sense for them to sell you another set. I wanted to find out how many people had this problem and if it would be worthwhile to repair them. The OLED uses much less power than the LCD with the backlight (about 30ma for the OLED, depending on the number of characters illuminated, my measurements of the running current for the electronics without the display was about 20ma) Carl Last edited by Carls : 15th October 2006 at 06:07.
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15th October 2006, 07:18	#9 (permalink)
DepthCharge New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: upstate NY Posts: 233	Re: Need to replace LCD? Sartek! Quote: (Originally Posted by Carls) The pictures are of my friend's unit whose LCD died. SDS told him that it would be $1700 for repair or $5000 for Vision electronics. My buddy has been in the electronics repair field for many years and he decided to take a chance on repairing them himself. He replaced both of his LCDs with OLEDs and I think they look great. He said it was a real pain because the electronics are fully potted in clear compound. He said that he never wanted to do that again, but I think I could convince him. I have done the repair and it is a real pain to do with the possibility of killing the electronics, but at this point SDS isn't giving people too many options, and the trade in for working or non-working units isn't that different from what I hear. I really don't think that SDS would take the trouble to unpot and repot the electronics. I think that it would probably make more sense for them to sell you another set. I wanted to find out how many people had this problem and if it would be worthwhile to repair them. The OLED uses much less power than the LCD with the backlight (about 30ma for the OLED, depending on the number of characters illuminated, my measurements of the running current for the electronics without the display was about 20ma) Carl So what price are you concidering to replace them? I agree that APD (policy setter) is sh*& when it comes to replacement/upgrade prices. __________________ Later, John It's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission
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billy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Posts: 22	Re: Need to replace LCD? Sartek! Quote: (Originally Posted by Carls) The OLED uses much less power than the LCD with the backlight (about 30ma for the OLED, depending on the number of characters illuminated, my measurements of the running current for the electronics without the display was about 20ma) Carl Thanks Carl for the update
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