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Old 4th October 2006, 08:33   #1 (permalink)
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Re: Bad design of boris'sloop?

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If you get water into an Inspiration exhale CL for example it too will migrate to the base of the scrubber and eventually into the sofnolime. In that case there is a semi hydrophobic membrane that keeps a portion of the water out, though the scrim's primary function is to stop the sofnolime falling through the spider. There is no option for that particular diver other than to expel water by lying on his stomach and massage water out via the OP valve which happens also to be on the exhale side (this process is not easy).

In the case of the Ouroborus water that collects in the exhale CL is met by a far more effective hydrohobic membrane (there is an issue of water by passing this membrane but I understand that this is being resolved), expelling water requires to diver to go into a +/- vertical position and over pressurising the loop, gravity does the rest. As DrMike said the OPV needs to be 'bettered'.

If you are for an OPV on the inhale side then it would be best to give us a few pro's but I think you will be hard pressed.

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I can only comment on YBOD, because I don`t know Boris loop. On YBOD you need to do some tricks to get the water from the exhale CL to the scrubber. You have to have quite a lot of water in the CL and then go head down position.

You can also drain the exhale counterlung through the manual O2 add button that is in the lower part of the exhale CL.
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Old 4th October 2006, 08:39   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Bad design of boris'sloop?

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I can only comment on YBOD, because I don`t know Boris loop. On YBOD you need to do some tricks to get the water from the exhale CL to the scrubber. You have to have quite a lot of water in the CL and then go head down position.

You can also drain the exhale counterlung through the manual O2 add button that is in the lower part of the exhale CL.

Yup I recall doing the roll to the right thing when I dived an inspiration - in fact it was taught on my Mod2 Inspiration course.

It works - its not always easy to do - but it does work. I made a mod for the injector buton that made it easier to use as a drain that worked very well
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Re: Bad design of boris'sloop?

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On YBOD you need to do some tricks to get the water from the exhale CL to the scrubber. You have to have quite a lot of water in the CL and then go head down position.

You can also drain the exhale counterlung through the manual O2 add button that is in the lower part of the exhale CL.
I know the YBOD fairly well and it takes a bit to get water into the scrubber but it does happen. As for removing the manual O2 injector under watter...ouch. An inspiration diver that is diving "fully loaded" with stages etc may find these technics somewhat more difficult than the action of removing water from the loop of a Bris.

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Re: Bad design of boris'sloop?

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I know the YBOD fairly well and it takes a bit to get water into the scrubber but it does happen. As for removing the manual O2 injector under watter...ouch. An inspiration diver that is diving "fully loaded" with stages etc may find these technics somewhat more difficult than the action of removing water from the loop of a Bris.

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I meant the easier but maybe slower way of emptying the lung. Just plug the LP hose off the button, put some overpressure in the loop and then press the manual O2 button. The idea is to let the water go out through the valve in the button. I have to admit that I have not done this myself and hopefully never have to do in a real flood.

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Re: Bad design of boris'sloop?

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I can only comment on YBOD, because I don`t know Boris loop. On YBOD you need to do some tricks to get the water from the exhale CL to the scrubber. You have to have quite a lot of water in the CL and then go head down position.

You can also drain the exhale counterlung through the manual O2 add button that is in the lower part of the exhale CL.
I am not sure it is actually that hard to get significant quantities of water into the bottom of the Inspo scrubber - especially if you are running at minimum loop and with the ADV switched off. I screwed up a bail out by not fully closing the mouthpiece and got probably between 1/2 to 1" into bottom of scrubber without going head down at any stage. Certainly enough to get the tell-tale gurgling noise on inhale when rolled on right side.

I need to have a look at the manual O2 valve but does it not have a one way feature of some sort - if so how do you propose to dump liquid from the loop? do you have to unscrew the cap or is it sufficient to disconnect the manual feed hose to do this?

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Re: Bad design of boris'sloop?

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Sorry...probably guilty of hijacking the original thread here - feel free to start a new one on Inspiration loop recovery...


I am not sure it is actually that hard to get significant quantities of water into the bottom of the Inspo scrubber - especially if you are running at minimum loop and with the ADV switched off. I screwed up a bail out by not fully closing the mouthpiece and got probably between 1/2 to 1" into bottom of scrubber without going head down at any stage. Certainly enough to get the tell-tale gurgling noise on inhale when rolled on right side.

I need to have a look at the manual O2 valve but does it not have a one way feature of some sort - if so how do you propose to dump liquid from the loop? do you have to unscrew the cap or is it sufficient to disconnect the manual feed hose to do this?

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There is no one way valve in the button. It should work just by unplugging the LP hose and then over pressure and push the button. I need to rest it next time I go diving.

Did you have a lot of water in the exhale CL when you got water into the scrubber?

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There is no one way valve in the button. It should work just by unplugging the LP hose and then over pressure and push the button. I need to rest it next time I go diving.

Did you have a lot of water in the exhale CL when you got water into the scrubber?

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Will test it too I had about 3 inches of water in the bottom of the exhale C/L

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Sorry...probably guilty of hijacking the original thread here - feel free to start a new one on Inspiration loop recovery...


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Yes its a better Idea to open an other thread about either general loop recovery or better buddy loop recovery... especially with such a specific and provocative thread tittle ( )

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Yes its a better Idea to open an other thread about either general loop recovery or better buddy loop recovery... especially with such a specific and provocative thread tittle ( )

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Hi - could a modorator possibly comply with Marcs wishes and strip out the stuff referring to te YBOD scrubber into an Inspo thread... and appologies for the hijack

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Re: Techniques for clearing a flood

Done. Could the original splitter next time start a fresh thread.....every time I do this I have to add a beer onto my slate of debts. Pelforth please steve!
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