Replacing Autoair

Pierre Farrugia · 14th August 2006, 16:58

Hello all,

For those who removed the autoair, with what you did replace it ? Did you had to modify something or was it a straight swap ? Anyone used the Halcyon

SS inflator and what are the prices ?

nmanfield · 14th August 2006, 17:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia)

Hello all,

For those who removed the autoair, with what you did replace it ? Did you had to modify something or was it a straight swap ? Anyone used the Halcyon

SS inflator and what are the prices ?

Hi Pierre,

Grabbe hold of my old BCD and replaced the auto air with my old scubapro power inflator - pretty much a straight swap (though the hose was shorter). Remember that you'll need to put an Over Pressure valve on your diluent first stage if you do this

This is a phot of me with another unit and this has a dive-rite inflator fitted (so it is possible).

Pierre Farrugia · 14th August 2006, 17:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by nmanfield)

Hi Pierre,

Grabbe hold of my old BCD and replaced the auto air with my old scubapro power inflator - pretty much a straight swap (though the hose was shorter). Remember that you'll need to put an Over Pressure valve on your diluent first stage if you do this

This is a phot of me with another unit and this has a Halcyon inflator fitted (so it is possible)

From where I can get a Halcyon one and at what price? I am after the Halcyon one due to being made from SS!

Digger · 14th August 2006, 18:46

Pierre,

I can see why you're replacing the Auto Air, but I can't think of a worse replacement!

There's been loads of problems with Halcyon inflators, they're the one thing I'd replace if I got one of their wings.

If you really want one any H dealer should be able to get you one, but they'll be expensive, and not as good as most other tried and tested inflators out there.

Just get an inflator off an OMS, Dive Rite, Zeagle, you name it.

Or, if you got really clever, you could replace it with an AP200, as it uses the same hose as the inflator buttons, so you have one less spare you need to carry. And (though I can't think of many reasons why you would) you can connect the wing inflator to your counterlungs easily.

AP will also sell you the nipple for your drysuit and a hose, so everything's interchangeable. Magic.

Digs (not an Inspo diver, but seen what makes sense!)

Padowan · 14th August 2006, 19:21

I just fitted a LPI that I got from my local dive shop. I cut down the length of the hose as I felt it was too long, and used 2-zip ties to hold the new inflator in place. You can see it here:

During the dive, the inflator is tucked into a loop of surgical tubing that is tied through one end of the otherwise unused chest strap on my original harness, I think you can just make it out here, just above the AP/Inspo logo on the counterlung:

nmanfield · 14th August 2006, 19:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia)

From where I can get a Halcyon one and at what price? I am after the Halcyon one due to being made from SS!

Actually looking at the photo I realised that this one was a Dive-rite one. I did use a borrowed halcyon SS one in the Phillipines - seemed allright for me but it was brand new and only did 15 dives with it. As I said my own unit had my scubapro one which seemed fine

**rigdiver** · 14th August 2006, 19:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia)

Hello all,

For those who removed the autoair, with what you did replace it ? Did you had to modify something or was it a straight swap ? Anyone used the Halcyon

SS inflator and what are the prices ?

There have been some H inflators for sale over on thedecostop for some time now. I replaced my YBOD's with H inflators and had trouble in a matter of days. It's not nice to have an inflator leaking air into the wing. There are articles on direxplorers about how to work on them and fill them with silicone. If you own an H inflator, get used to working on it.
Bill

UKSteve · 14th August 2006, 20:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by Digger)

Pierre,

I can see why you're replacing the Auto Air, but I can't think of a worse replacement!

.....

Or, if you got really clever, you could replace it with an AP200,

Actually I think you actually picked a worse replacement in the AP200!!

In my opinion it is simply too big a lump of plastic and has far too sensitive an inflator button - I know of one at least rapid ascent / DCS caused by the lump getting inadvertantly trapped between gear - something I've not seen with the OMS style one which requires a far harder press.

But its only my opinion...

Steve

Mdemon · 15th August 2006, 10:33

I've had to deal with a buddy going buoyant at 35m because of a leaking SS Halcyon inflator. Just don't do it - is SS really that important to you in an inflator? I ended up OOG having donated all my gas to him.

(DrMike take note - I used my Buddy crack bottle for redundant buoyancy!

)

Can I just ask how many people have actually had problems with their autoair? Other than the odd dribble of bubbles every now and then? It is a hideous breathe, but is the replacement "by default" more of a fashion statement than anything else? After all, if it free flows you just undo the GCS...

PCDiver · 15th August 2006, 11:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

I've had to deal with a buddy going buoyant at 35m because of a leaking SS Halcyon inflator. Just don't do it - is SS really that important to you in an inflator?

)

I had the same problem with my Halcyon SS inflator. It leaked seriously and completely screwed up my bouyancy, luckily only during a test dive. The SS was completely corroded. I cleaned it and filled it with silicone and put it on the shelf.

14th August 2006, 16:58	#1 (permalink)
Pierre Farrugia Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 636	Replacing Autoair Hello all, For those who removed the autoair, with what you did replace it ? Did you had to modify something or was it a straight swap ? Anyone used the Halcyon SS inflator and what are the prices ? __________________ Pierre Farrugia My wife told me " If you don't quit diving I'm going to leave you" My reply " God, I'll miss you" www.atlam.org www.divemed.com
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14th August 2006, 17:32	#3 (permalink)
Pierre Farrugia Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 636	Re: Replacing Autoair Quote: (Originally Posted by nmanfield) Hi Pierre, Grabbe hold of my old BCD and replaced the auto air with my old scubapro power inflator - pretty much a straight swap (though the hose was shorter). Remember that you'll need to put an Over Pressure valve on your diluent first stage if you do this This is a phot of me with another unit and this has a Halcyon inflator fitted (so it is possible) From where I can get a Halcyon one and at what price? I am after the Halcyon one due to being made from SS! __________________ Pierre Farrugia My wife told me " If you don't quit diving I'm going to leave you" My reply " God, I'll miss you" www.atlam.org www.divemed.com
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14th August 2006, 18:46	#4 (permalink)
Digger Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 209	Re: Replacing Autoair Pierre, I can see why you're replacing the Auto Air, but I can't think of a worse replacement! There's been loads of problems with Halcyon inflators, they're the one thing I'd replace if I got one of their wings. If you really want one any H dealer should be able to get you one, but they'll be expensive, and not as good as most other tried and tested inflators out there. Just get an inflator off an OMS, Dive Rite, Zeagle, you name it. Or, if you got really clever, you could replace it with an AP200, as it uses the same hose as the inflator buttons, so you have one less spare you need to carry. And (though I can't think of many reasons why you would) you can connect the wing inflator to your counterlungs easily. AP will also sell you the nipple for your drysuit and a hose, so everything's interchangeable. Magic. Digs (not an Inspo diver, but seen what makes sense!)
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14th August 2006, 19:21	#5 (permalink)
Padowan RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Exeter, UK. Posts: 526	Re: Replacing Autoair I just fitted a LPI that I got from my local dive shop. I cut down the length of the hose as I felt it was too long, and used 2-zip ties to hold the new inflator in place. You can see it here: During the dive, the inflator is tucked into a loop of surgical tubing that is tied through one end of the otherwise unused chest strap on my original harness, I think you can just make it out here, just above the AP/Inspo logo on the counterlung: __________________ Padowan The future's bright, the future's Yellow .....for now padowan.net - Latest Video: Scapa Flow Rebreather Diving
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14th August 2006, 19:41	#6 (permalink)
nmanfield Megalegalegalegadingdong! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Odessa, Ukraine Posts: 329	Re: Replacing Autoair Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia) From where I can get a Halcyon one and at what price? I am after the Halcyon one due to being made from SS! Actually looking at the photo I realised that this one was a Dive-rite one. I did use a borrowed halcyon SS one in the Phillipines - seemed allright for me but it was brand new and only did 15 dives with it. As I said my own unit had my scubapro one which seemed fine __________________ Tub 'O Lard
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14th August 2006, 19:54	#7 (permalink)
rigdiver LEARNING CONTINUALLY Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS Posts: 429	Re: Replacing Autoair Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia) Hello all, For those who removed the autoair, with what you did replace it ? Did you had to modify something or was it a straight swap ? Anyone used the Halcyon SS inflator and what are the prices ? There have been some H inflators for sale over on thedecostop for some time now. I replaced my YBOD's with H inflators and had trouble in a matter of days. It's not nice to have an inflator leaking air into the wing. There are articles on direxplorers about how to work on them and fill them with silicone. If you own an H inflator, get used to working on it. Bill
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14th August 2006, 20:25	#8 (permalink)
UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Replacing Autoair Quote: (Originally Posted by Digger) Pierre, I can see why you're replacing the Auto Air, but I can't think of a worse replacement! ..... Or, if you got really clever, you could replace it with an AP200, Actually I think you actually picked a worse replacement in the AP200!! In my opinion it is simply too big a lump of plastic and has far too sensitive an inflator button - I know of one at least rapid ascent / DCS caused by the lump getting inadvertantly trapped between gear - something I've not seen with the OMS style one which requires a far harder press. But its only my opinion... Steve
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15th August 2006, 10:33	#9 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Replacing Autoair I've had to deal with a buddy going buoyant at 35m because of a leaking SS Halcyon inflator. Just don't do it - is SS really that important to you in an inflator? I ended up OOG having donated all my gas to him. (DrMike take note - I used my Buddy crack bottle for redundant buoyancy! ) Can I just ask how many people have actually had problems with their autoair? Other than the odd dribble of bubbles every now and then? It is a hideous breathe, but is the replacement "by default" more of a fashion statement than anything else? After all, if it free flows you just undo the GCS... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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15th August 2006, 11:31	#10 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Re: Replacing Autoair Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) I've had to deal with a buddy going buoyant at 35m because of a leaking SS Halcyon inflator. Just don't do it - is SS really that important to you in an inflator? ) I had the same problem with my Halcyon SS inflator. It leaked seriously and completely screwed up my bouyancy, luckily only during a test dive. The SS was completely corroded. I cleaned it and filled it with silicone and put it on the shelf.
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