What wing to put on???

Ivon · 31st July 2006, 18:41

I am looking at changing the wing on my Inspo, I like it but there is just not enough lift.

On the surface I am very low in the water and unless I inflate the lungs it still sinks, not good

It's the 16 kg wing but not sure the 22 will be enough with two steel 7's if I need the lift, I have 2 1.5L cylinders mounted on the box, a 3kg torch butt mounted, tools and other bits.

I was thinking of putting an OMS 65lb on, but have been told that the wing will squash against the box mounted cylinder, has anyone found this?

What other wings work with this system?

Thanks
Ivon

Mark Chase · 31st July 2006, 19:55

I have exactly the same problem I am also looking to get an OMS 65lb

If any one has advice or experiance Id like to here about it before investing the cash.

ATB

Mark Chase

diverklondike · 31st July 2006, 20:06

I have been using the Custom Divers VBSand have been pretty happy with it.

The one I have is the smaller of the two versions. 31-47lbs of lift.

The profile at the top is nice and low as to not mess with the hoses.

I am also a fan of the d-rings.

Dive Safe

Mark

**Gill Envy** · 31st July 2006, 20:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ivon)

I am looking at changing the wing on my Inspo, I like it but there is just not enough lift.

On the surface I am very low in the water and unless I inflate the lungs it still sinks, not good

It's the 16 kg wing but not sure the 22 will be enough with two steel 7's if I need the lift, I have 2 1.5L cylinders mounted on the box, a 3kg torch butt mounted, tools and other bits.

I was thinking of putting an OMS 65lb on, but have been told that the wing will squash against the box mounted cylinder, has anyone found this?

What other wings work with this system?

Thanks
Ivon

We've had issues with our evo's as well, they won't float on their own which makes getting them on and off a bit tedious in open water from a kayak...bigger wings would be good. oh, and stationary d-rings would make attaching bail out so much easier.

Johnny Christensen · 31st July 2006, 20:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ivon)

I am looking at changing the wing on my Inspo, I like it but there is just not enough lift.

On the surface I am very low in the water and unless I inflate the lungs it still sinks, not good

It's the 16 kg wing but not sure the 22 will be enough with two steel 7's if I need the lift, I have 2 1.5L cylinders mounted on the box, a 3kg torch butt mounted, tools and other bits.

I was thinking of putting an OMS 65lb on, but have been told that the wing will squash against the box mounted cylinder, has anyone found this?

What other wings work with this system?

Thanks
Ivon

A 65 lbs wing sounds like quite a bit. Why not do a revision of the balance in your setup, then it may not be nessesary to go with such big wings.
I dive drysuit with more undersuit than most guys arround here. When using two 7L steel cylinders, SS backplate, a big MetalSub torch, suit inflation bottle, camera and tripod, 6 kg weightbelt and 3 kg counterlung weigths. I find that my Scubapro RecTek wing gives plenty of lift on the surface. With the way I have the bungee cords set up, I estimate about 22-24 kg of lift.

It works well for me.

Ivon · 31st July 2006, 21:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Johnny Christensen)

A 65 lbs wing sounds like quite a bit. Why not do a revision of the balance in your setup, then it may not be nessesary to go with such big wings.
I dive drysuit with more undersuit than most guys arround here. When using two 7L steel cylinders, SS backplate, a big MetalSub torch, suit inflation bottle, camera and tripod, 6 kg weightbelt and 3 kg counterlung weigths. I find that my Scubapro RecTek wing gives plenty of lift on the surface. With the way I have the bungee cords set up, I estimate about 22-24 kg of lift.

It works well for me.

The rig would be fine if I didn't have to take it off to get in the RIB, I don't have any lead on it other than 3kg on the top so I can't remove any weight. It is still negative on the surface, if your wing is 24kg thats still 53lb, not that far from 65 when you add my other bits on top.

Ivon

Pierre Farrugia · 31st July 2006, 21:14

Hello,

I dive mine in a wet suit, 3kg top and 2kg on belt,SS backplate, 2 7 liters and usual stuff, no problem with boyancy but I have the 22kg wing!

Ivon · 31st July 2006, 22:10

Just to clarify, the rig is ok when I am wearing it with my drysuit, the problems arise when I take the rig off on the surface.

It is just too heavy for the wing, I obviously remove the stages but leave the torch, and other bits on to pull it into the RIB, it is clipped onto the side of the boat while I slide out of it and it won't stay on the surface unless the lungs are inflated, there is no weight that can be removed.

I have also had to inflate the wing once at depth when moving a porthole, the wing full inflated and I still struggled to get off the bottom, this does not fill me with confidence if I were to have a loop flood.

Ivon

Mark Chase · 31st July 2006, 23:17

I am diving 4kg of lead and a SS back plate using a 5mm compressed neo suit and a forth element base layer. With two 10ltr steel bailout I float at about eye level on the surface with the 22lb wing fully inflated.

I generally put extra gas in my suit and in the counter lungs to get comfortably out of the water. Id probably have to ditch the bailout with a flooded suit, I am not sure what id do with a flooded unit as i only have 4kg of ditch-able lead which is why Id prefer a bigger wing.

ATB

Mark Chase

31st July 2006, 18:41	#1 (permalink)
Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 318	What wing to put on??? I am looking at changing the wing on my Inspo, I like it but there is just not enough lift. On the surface I am very low in the water and unless I inflate the lungs it still sinks, not good It's the 16 kg wing but not sure the 22 will be enough with two steel 7's if I need the lift, I have 2 1.5L cylinders mounted on the box, a 3kg torch butt mounted, tools and other bits. I was thinking of putting an OMS 65lb on, but have been told that the wing will squash against the box mounted cylinder, has anyone found this? What other wings work with this system? Thanks Ivon
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31st July 2006, 19:55	#2 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: What wing to put on??? I have exactly the same problem I am also looking to get an OMS 65lb If any one has advice or experiance Id like to here about it before investing the cash. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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31st July 2006, 20:06	#3 (permalink)
diverklondike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,699	Re: What wing to put on??? I have been using the Custom Divers VBSand have been pretty happy with it. The one I have is the smaller of the two versions. 31-47lbs of lift. The profile at the top is nice and low as to not mess with the hoses. I am also a fan of the d-rings. Dive Safe Mark
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31st July 2006, 20:15	#4 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,341	Re: What wing to put on??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ivon) I am looking at changing the wing on my Inspo, I like it but there is just not enough lift. On the surface I am very low in the water and unless I inflate the lungs it still sinks, not good It's the 16 kg wing but not sure the 22 will be enough with two steel 7's if I need the lift, I have 2 1.5L cylinders mounted on the box, a 3kg torch butt mounted, tools and other bits. I was thinking of putting an OMS 65lb on, but have been told that the wing will squash against the box mounted cylinder, has anyone found this? What other wings work with this system? Thanks Ivon We've had issues with our evo's as well, they won't float on their own which makes getting them on and off a bit tedious in open water from a kayak...bigger wings would be good. oh, and stationary d-rings would make attaching bail out so much easier. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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31st July 2006, 20:59	#5 (permalink)
Johnny Christensen RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 306	Re: What wing to put on??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ivon) I am looking at changing the wing on my Inspo, I like it but there is just not enough lift. On the surface I am very low in the water and unless I inflate the lungs it still sinks, not good It's the 16 kg wing but not sure the 22 will be enough with two steel 7's if I need the lift, I have 2 1.5L cylinders mounted on the box, a 3kg torch butt mounted, tools and other bits. I was thinking of putting an OMS 65lb on, but have been told that the wing will squash against the box mounted cylinder, has anyone found this? What other wings work with this system? Thanks Ivon A 65 lbs wing sounds like quite a bit. Why not do a revision of the balance in your setup, then it may not be nessesary to go with such big wings. I dive drysuit with more undersuit than most guys arround here. When using two 7L steel cylinders, SS backplate, a big MetalSub torch, suit inflation bottle, camera and tripod, 6 kg weightbelt and 3 kg counterlung weigths. I find that my Scubapro RecTek wing gives plenty of lift on the surface. With the way I have the bungee cords set up, I estimate about 22-24 kg of lift. It works well for me. __________________ www.johnnychristensen.com Wreckphotography from the cold north
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31st July 2006, 21:03	#6 (permalink)
Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 318	Re: What wing to put on??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Johnny Christensen) A 65 lbs wing sounds like quite a bit. Why not do a revision of the balance in your setup, then it may not be nessesary to go with such big wings. I dive drysuit with more undersuit than most guys arround here. When using two 7L steel cylinders, SS backplate, a big MetalSub torch, suit inflation bottle, camera and tripod, 6 kg weightbelt and 3 kg counterlung weigths. I find that my Scubapro RecTek wing gives plenty of lift on the surface. With the way I have the bungee cords set up, I estimate about 22-24 kg of lift. It works well for me. The rig would be fine if I didn't have to take it off to get in the RIB, I don't have any lead on it other than 3kg on the top so I can't remove any weight. It is still negative on the surface, if your wing is 24kg thats still 53lb, not that far from 65 when you add my other bits on top. Ivon Last edited by Ivon : 31st July 2006 at 21:07.
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31st July 2006, 21:14	#7 (permalink)
Pierre Farrugia Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 636	Re: What wing to put on??? Hello, I dive mine in a wet suit, 3kg top and 2kg on belt,SS backplate, 2 7 liters and usual stuff, no problem with boyancy but I have the 22kg wing! __________________ Pierre Farrugia My wife told me " If you don't quit diving I'm going to leave you" My reply " God, I'll miss you" www.atlam.org www.divemed.com
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31st July 2006, 22:10	#8 (permalink)
Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 318	Re: What wing to put on??? Just to clarify, the rig is ok when I am wearing it with my drysuit, the problems arise when I take the rig off on the surface. It is just too heavy for the wing, I obviously remove the stages but leave the torch, and other bits on to pull it into the RIB, it is clipped onto the side of the boat while I slide out of it and it won't stay on the surface unless the lungs are inflated, there is no weight that can be removed. I have also had to inflate the wing once at depth when moving a porthole, the wing full inflated and I still struggled to get off the bottom, this does not fill me with confidence if I were to have a loop flood. Ivon
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31st July 2006, 23:17	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: What wing to put on??? I am diving 4kg of lead and a SS back plate using a 5mm compressed neo suit and a forth element base layer. With two 10ltr steel bailout I float at about eye level on the surface with the 22lb wing fully inflated. I generally put extra gas in my suit and in the counter lungs to get comfortably out of the water. Id probably have to ditch the bailout with a flooded suit, I am not sure what id do with a flooded unit as i only have 4kg of ditch-able lead which is why Id prefer a bigger wing. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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