Inspo. not switching on

Pierre Farrugia · 29th May 2006, 09:01

Hello all,

Yesterday when I switched Inspo. on noticed that the master handset had switched on and the first screen was flickering and not changing to the next screen and you normally hear the solenoid fire! Then switched this off and the slave became master no problem. Switched on the problematic handset and yurned to slave. Switched master off and slave is now master no problem. Underwater solenoid was firing ok and dive was 71min. Underwater I switched to slave and master a couple of times no problem. On land I switched unit off and on, this time no problem. Then in garage I tried again and low battery appeared and no dive! Can all this hassle came from a low battery ? But then why this was not shown on handset ?

Mark Chase · 29th May 2006, 09:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia)

Hello all,

Yesterday when I switched Inspo. on noticed that the master handset had switched on and the first screen was flickering and not changing to the next screen and you normally hear the solenoid fire! Then switched this off and the slave became master no problem. Switched on the problematic handset and yurned to slave. Switched master off and slave is now master no problem. Underwater solenoid was firing ok and dive was 71min. Underwater I switched to slave and master a couple of times no problem. On land I switched unit off and on, this time no problem. Then in garage I tried again and low battery appeared and no dive! Can all this hassle came from a low battery ? But then why this was not shown on handset ?

Ohhhhhh thats definitely a cracked hand set. Despite the fact you will examine it closely and find no cracks

Having suffered the same problem I concluded its the micro switches in the hand set. These were apparently replaced during my recent repair. I suffered the above with what might have been a low battery but subsequent failures happened with batteries only one or two dives old.

The low battery warning didn't show up before the problem but like you after multiple switching on an off i managed to get a low battery warning in the end. I was told that the hand set is trying to boot up but when the cycle hits the test fire of the solenoid it causes a drain on the battery that re sets the hand set and it starts to boot up again.

This problem would appear secondary to the problem of rapid discharging of the batteries them selves. That is what I believe is caused by the faulty micro switches. I have no way of prooving this but it made sense to me when analising the known problems with the unit.

ATB

Mark Chase

jhaaja · 29th May 2006, 09:38

It can also only be a low battery problem. I have had that boot...boot...boot show up when switching on the handset. It shuts down when the solenoid fires and then starts immediately again.

JH

divetheworld · 29th May 2006, 12:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9)

Yes. the battery test as start-up on the classic doesn't test the battery under load, I've often had battery shown as OK on the surface only to get "low battery" 5 mins after leaving bottom of shot line (solenoid firing has drained battery & dropped voltage).

(I'm led to believe that the Vision electronics handles this better)

I was told by a person at APD that if you see the screen flicker/dim when the solenoid fires it's a good indication of a low battery. If it couldn't fire the solenoid, then it definately needed a new battery

JT

Thats why most of us change the battery as regular as our skiddy shreddies. With 7dayshop still doing dirt cheap prices it's a no brainer.
Something we all put up with.

One day I might get round to doing a decent replacement handset enclosure.

Brent.

Pierre Farrugia · 29th May 2006, 13:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

Thats why most of us change the battery as regular as our skiddy shreddies. With 7dayshop still doing dirt cheap prices it's a no brainer.
Something we all put up with.

One day I might get round to doing a decent replacement handset enclosure.

Brent.

Hello just check my battery usage, can someone compare it to his/hers
7hrs , 15.5hrs , 9.6hrs , 15.4hrs , 15.6hrs , 8.7hrs , 10.3hrs (problem with handsets). Always used the Energizer!

jhaaja · 29th May 2006, 14:01

My master has lasted from 11-16 hours. 16 with a lot of manual O2 addition. I use Panasonic and Maxell batteries.

JH

divetheworld · 29th May 2006, 18:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9)

So did I, normally every 10 -12 hours, rotated batteries, slave to master new into slave. Never had a "low battery" warning when I changed at this frequency. But it depends on back light use & how often/long the solenoid fires on your dives (i.e. you dive style)

Of course some people change both at same time

JT

Yup, that makes a lot of sense. I guess that you change them the same way I do? New in the slave, old slave in the master and keep rotating that way.

Brent

p.s. (Pierre)
I use panasonics, they work nicely.
Shite low batt warning on the classic as others have stated.

sddiverrob · 29th May 2006, 19:05

Granted I'm a new Inspo diver but I had something similar happen to me yesterday while on vacation in Hawaii.

I switched on the master handset and it booted up to the Dive Now? screen. When I clicked to confirm it the handset rebooted and the slave took over as the master. Slave booted up just fine, couldn't be the batteries since they only have about 4 hours on them. While trouble shooting at the beach I noticed that the left slide switch was not all the way down, it had stopped about 3mm from the bottom. Switched it off and then back on, made sure the switch was all the way down and no problems. Oh yeah, and the dive was pretty good too.

Rob

Mdemon · 29th May 2006, 23:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

One day I might get round to doing a decent replacement handset enclosure.

A nice metal one? No more "cracked handsets where the hose goes in..."...

Perhaps you could replace the "on" lever too... That's an o-ring away from disaster.

While you're at it, turn it 90 degrees so I can mount it on my wrist. And add a slot for VR£.

(And don't forget the MP3 player!!!)

Prototype by the weekend?

Pierre Farrugia · 30th May 2006, 06:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by sddiverrob)

Granted I'm a new Inspo diver but I had something similar happen to me yesterday while on vacation in Hawaii.

I switched on the master handset and it booted up to the Dive Now? screen. When I clicked to confirm it the handset rebooted and the slave took over as the master. Slave booted up just fine, couldn't be the batteries since they only have about 4 hours on them. While trouble shooting at the beach I noticed that the left slide switch was not all the way down, it had stopped about 3mm from the bottom. Switched it off and then back on, made sure the switch was all the way down and no problems. Oh yeah, and the dive was pretty good too.

Rob

I also checked switches but non were stuck!

29th May 2006, 09:01	#1 (permalink)
Pierre Farrugia Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 636	Inspo. not switching on Hello all, Yesterday when I switched Inspo. on noticed that the master handset had switched on and the first screen was flickering and not changing to the next screen and you normally hear the solenoid fire! Then switched this off and the slave became master no problem. Switched on the problematic handset and yurned to slave. Switched master off and slave is now master no problem. Underwater solenoid was firing ok and dive was 71min. Underwater I switched to slave and master a couple of times no problem. On land I switched unit off and on, this time no problem. Then in garage I tried again and low battery appeared and no dive! Can all this hassle came from a low battery ? But then why this was not shown on handset ? __________________ Pierre Farrugia My wife told me " If you don't quit diving I'm going to leave you" My reply " God, I'll miss you" www.atlam.org www.divemed.com
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29th May 2006, 09:32	#2 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: Inspo. not switching on Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia) Hello all, Yesterday when I switched Inspo. on noticed that the master handset had switched on and the first screen was flickering and not changing to the next screen and you normally hear the solenoid fire! Then switched this off and the slave became master no problem. Switched on the problematic handset and yurned to slave. Switched master off and slave is now master no problem. Underwater solenoid was firing ok and dive was 71min. Underwater I switched to slave and master a couple of times no problem. On land I switched unit off and on, this time no problem. Then in garage I tried again and low battery appeared and no dive! Can all this hassle came from a low battery ? But then why this was not shown on handset ? Ohhhhhh thats definitely a cracked hand set. Despite the fact you will examine it closely and find no cracks Having suffered the same problem I concluded its the micro switches in the hand set. These were apparently replaced during my recent repair. I suffered the above with what might have been a low battery but subsequent failures happened with batteries only one or two dives old. The low battery warning didn't show up before the problem but like you after multiple switching on an off i managed to get a low battery warning in the end. I was told that the hand set is trying to boot up but when the cycle hits the test fire of the solenoid it causes a drain on the battery that re sets the hand set and it starts to boot up again. This problem would appear secondary to the problem of rapid discharging of the batteries them selves. That is what I believe is caused by the faulty micro switches. I have no way of prooving this but it made sense to me when analising the known problems with the unit. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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29th May 2006, 09:38	#3 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Inspo. not switching on It can also only be a low battery problem. I have had that boot...boot...boot show up when switching on the handset. It shuts down when the solenoid fires and then starts immediately again. JH
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29th May 2006, 12:27	#4 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,630	Re: Inspo. not switching on Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9) Yes. the battery test as start-up on the classic doesn't test the battery under load, I've often had battery shown as OK on the surface only to get "low battery" 5 mins after leaving bottom of shot line (solenoid firing has drained battery & dropped voltage). (I'm led to believe that the Vision electronics handles this better) I was told by a person at APD that if you see the screen flicker/dim when the solenoid fires it's a good indication of a low battery. If it couldn't fire the solenoid, then it definately needed a new battery JT Thats why most of us change the battery as regular as our skiddy shreddies. With 7dayshop still doing dirt cheap prices it's a no brainer. Something we all put up with. One day I might get round to doing a decent replacement handset enclosure. Brent. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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29th May 2006, 13:47	#5 (permalink)
Pierre Farrugia Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 636	Re: Inspo. not switching on Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) Thats why most of us change the battery as regular as our skiddy shreddies. With 7dayshop still doing dirt cheap prices it's a no brainer. Something we all put up with. One day I might get round to doing a decent replacement handset enclosure. Brent. Hello just check my battery usage, can someone compare it to his/hers 7hrs , 15.5hrs , 9.6hrs , 15.4hrs , 15.6hrs , 8.7hrs , 10.3hrs (problem with handsets). Always used the Energizer! __________________ Pierre Farrugia My wife told me " If you don't quit diving I'm going to leave you" My reply " God, I'll miss you" www.atlam.org www.divemed.com
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29th May 2006, 14:01	#6 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Inspo. not switching on My master has lasted from 11-16 hours. 16 with a lot of manual O2 addition. I use Panasonic and Maxell batteries. JH
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29th May 2006, 18:20	#7 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,630	Re: Inspo. not switching on Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9) So did I, normally every 10 -12 hours, rotated batteries, slave to master new into slave. Never had a "low battery" warning when I changed at this frequency. But it depends on back light use & how often/long the solenoid fires on your dives (i.e. you dive style) Of course some people change both at same time JT Yup, that makes a lot of sense. I guess that you change them the same way I do? New in the slave, old slave in the master and keep rotating that way. Brent p.s. (Pierre) I use panasonics, they work nicely. Shite low batt warning on the classic as others have stated. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 29th May 2006 at 18:23.
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29th May 2006, 19:05	#8 (permalink)
sddiverrob New Member Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 90	Re: Inspo. not switching on Granted I'm a new Inspo diver but I had something similar happen to me yesterday while on vacation in Hawaii. I switched on the master handset and it booted up to the Dive Now? screen. When I clicked to confirm it the handset rebooted and the slave took over as the master. Slave booted up just fine, couldn't be the batteries since they only have about 4 hours on them. While trouble shooting at the beach I noticed that the left slide switch was not all the way down, it had stopped about 3mm from the bottom. Switched it off and then back on, made sure the switch was all the way down and no problems. Oh yeah, and the dive was pretty good too. Rob __________________ "Tech divers are the same all over the world..."
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29th May 2006, 23:59	#9 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,940	Re: Inspo. not switching on Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) One day I might get round to doing a decent replacement handset enclosure. A nice metal one? No more "cracked handsets where the hose goes in..."... Perhaps you could replace the "on" lever too... That's an o-ring away from disaster. While you're at it, turn it 90 degrees so I can mount it on my wrist. And add a slot for VR£. (And don't forget the MP3 player!!!) Prototype by the weekend? __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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30th May 2006, 06:14	#10 (permalink)
Pierre Farrugia Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Malta Posts: 636	Re: Inspo. not switching on Quote: (Originally Posted by sddiverrob) Granted I'm a new Inspo diver but I had something similar happen to me yesterday while on vacation in Hawaii. I switched on the master handset and it booted up to the Dive Now? screen. When I clicked to confirm it the handset rebooted and the slave took over as the master. Slave booted up just fine, couldn't be the batteries since they only have about 4 hours on them. While trouble shooting at the beach I noticed that the left slide switch was not all the way down, it had stopped about 3mm from the bottom. Switched it off and then back on, made sure the switch was all the way down and no problems. Oh yeah, and the dive was pretty good too. Rob I also checked switches but non were stuck! __________________ Pierre Farrugia My wife told me " If you don't quit diving I'm going to leave you" My reply " God, I'll miss you" www.atlam.org www.divemed.com
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