My head is back but i am still concerned

Mark Chase · 24th May 2006, 10:15

Got my head back today with a work sheet.

Under reported faults it says....

"l H/Set turns off with no warning"

Assuming the "l" is a L for Left they have the wrong hand set as it was the Right hand Master hand set with the problem.

With regard to the URI HUD it states the following.

Piggy back sensor wires affecting the cell reading by 0.11 on module screens. Conected by twisting wires together and pushing into connector, then attempted to make waterproof with tape. Tape totally ineffective - removed.

Then someone has altered the cell error with a different color pen to 0.01??

Even though its pretty obvious when looking at them and despite the fact i have told them, they are still concerned about the non crimping connectors? The wires are not "pushed in" to the connectors, The connectors are like the petals of a rose and they are compressed on to the wires by screwing down the cap. Compared with the point contact made by the leaf springs on the Molex end I just cant see them being a week point?

Under works it has a replacement buzzer hose a full service and it says Solenoid N3 17.5 C+G. I have no idea what this means.

No mention of a cracked hand set this time?

The HUD has been taken out of the loom but they kindly left me the molex connectors so it shouldn't be too hard to put back together.

All in all its very frustrating. I was hoping it would be a cut and dried issue with a switch in the right hand hand set. That I could understand. As it is I don't actually feel confident that the problem is fixed.

They have taken out my batteries (used one dive) so Ill have to put new ones in and from experience it takes two or three dives before the error occurred. When it does the master just switches off with no low battery warning. Seeing as I used to get several dives out of a set of batteries and it always showed a low battery warning before I had a hand set shut down, it seems to demonstrate a problem.

I can only hope that its fixed.

ATB

Mark Chase

VTR · 24th May 2006, 10:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Got my head back today with a work sheet.

Under reported faults it says....

"l H/Set turns off with no warning"

Assuming the "l" is a L for Left they have the wrong hand set as it was the Right hand Master hand set with the problem.

With regard to the URI HUD it states the following.

Piggy back sensor wires affecting the cell reading by 0.11 on module screens. Conected by twisting wires together and pushing into connector, then attempted to make waterproof with tape. Tape totally ineffective - removed.

Then someone has altered the cell error with a different color pen to 0.01??

Even though its pretty obvious when looking at them and despite the fact i have told them, they are still concerned about the non crimping connectors? The wires are not "pushed in" to the connectors, The connectors are like the petals of a rose and they are compressed on to the wires by screwing down the cap. Compared with the point contact made by the leaf springs on the Molex end I just cant see them being a week point?

Under works it has a replacement buzzer hose a full service and it says Solenoid N3 17.5 C+G. I have no idea what this means.

No mention of a cracked hand set this time?

The HUD has been taken out of the loom but they kindly left me the molex connectors so it shouldn't be too hard to put back together.

All in all its very frustrating. I was hoping it would be a cut and dried issue with a switch in the right hand hand set. That I could understand. As it is I don't actually feel confident that the problem is fixed.

They have taken out my batteries (used one dive) so Ill have to put new ones in and from experience it takes two or three dives before the error occurred. When it does the master just switches off with no low battery warning. Seeing as I used to get several dives out of a set of batteries and it always showed a low battery warning before I had a hand set shut down, it seems to demonstrate a problem.

I can only hope that its fixed.

ATB

Mark Chase

Just a small suggestion, leave the HUD out of the unit/disconnected for a few dives & if the problem reoccurs then you don't have to go through all the hassle of removing it before you send the head back. Now, I know what you're going to say, that it's not the HUD that's causing the problem. Fair enough, I don't know one way or the other, but it would save you the hassle of either removing it before sending the head back, &/or APD saying that the HUD is causing the problem.

Cheers

Giles

Mark Chase · 24th May 2006, 10:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by VTR)

Just a small suggestion, leave the HUD out of the unit/disconnected for a few dives & if the problem reoccurs then you don't have to go through all the hassle of removing it before you send the head back. Now, I know what you're going to say, that it's not the HUD that's causing the problem. Fair enough, I don't know one way or the other, but it would save you the hassle of either removing it before sending the head back, &/or APD saying that the HUD is causing the problem.

Cheers

Giles

Its not just that. I personaly beleive diving without a HUD is bloody dangerous. Especialy with a unit that has a nasty habit of switching its self off.

On ALL the ocasions where the hand set failed the HUD carried on working fine.

ATB

Mark Chase

VTR · 24th May 2006, 10:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Its not just that. I personaly beleive diving without a HUD is bloody dangerous. Especialy with a unit that has a nasty habit of switching its self off.

On ALL the ocasions where the hand set failed the HUD carried on working fine.

ATB

Mark Chase

I understand where you're coming from, having a back up system is always a good idea. I have a seperate cell in the head connected to the VR3, if the unit dies I can run it manauly from the VR3. Ok, it's only one cell, but it's better than nothing & it's indipendent of the rest.
Just trying to save you the hassle if the problem reoccurs.

On a different note, as the weather's cr#p I take it you didn't get out on the Watcher this week?

Cheers

Giles.

JonnyB · 24th May 2006, 10:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by VTR)

I understand where you're coming from, having a back up system is always a good idea. I have a seperate cell in the head connected to the VR3, if the unit dies I can run it manauly from the VR3. Ok, it's only one cell, but it's better than nothing & it's indipendent of the rest.
Just trying to save you the hassle if the problem reoccurs.

On a different note, as the weather's cr#p I take it you didn't get out on the Watcher this week?

Cheers

Giles.

If primary and secondary go nuts, i would probably bail out, i would not dive on one cell, but that is just me

/Jonny

Mark Chase · 24th May 2006, 11:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by VTR)

On a different note, as the weather's cr#p I take it you didn't get out on the Watcher this week?

Cheers

Giles.

We sat in Harbor Sat Sun and Mon and then I quit and went home. They might get a dive in Thursday but I wasn't going to sit there all week waiting for a dive that will probably be in trashed viz. They were going to make a run for Falmouth on the Tuesday if the weather broke but with big low pressures moving in on the Friday I had visions of being stranded in Falmouth till Sunday.

8m swell on Sunday 6-7m swell on Monday the ferry came in with its windows blown out and we saw a lot of Sea King activity.

I love my diving, but thats no fun at all.

ATB

Mark Chase

johnv · 24th May 2006, 11:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Its not just that. I personaly beleive diving without a HUD is bloody dangerous. Especialy with a unit that has a nasty habit of switching its self off.

I'll bite.

if you look at your handsets regularly and listen to the solenoid how is this actually life threatening. Inconvenient yes, but to a competent CCR diver that should be all.

John

VTR · 24th May 2006, 11:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

If primary and secondary go nuts, i would probably bail out, i would not dive on one cell, but that is just me

/Jonny

Yes, I agree, if I didn't feel happy I'd probably do the same, one things for sure, I wouldn't continue the dive, it would be aborted!!! But for me, it's another tool in the Rebreather toolbox to get me out of the smelly stuff, & as I tend to monitor both the handsets & VR3 throughout a dive, I have a good idea of how they're working with each other & I've always got a dil flush to check that cell. It's not ideal, but it's better than a blindfold

Cheers

Giles.

Mark Chase · 24th May 2006, 11:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by johnv)

I'll bite.

if you look at your handsets regularly and listen to the solenoid how is this actually life threatening. Inconvenient yes, but to a competent CCR diver that should be all.
John

You see my problem then

I wasn't fishing honest. I just believe strongly in the chant Always Know Your PP02. If your not using a HUD your going to struggle navigating the wreck, laying the line handling the video equipment or lift bag etc which is typical of pretty much all my diving. Things happen slow on a CCR they say, but at 70m an 02 spike can happen pretty damed fast.

I cant hear the solenoid. I have herd it on red sea dives but for some reason on deep UK ones I cant here a damed thing.

ATB

VTR · 24th May 2006, 11:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

We sat in Harbor Sat Sun and Mon and then I quit and went home. They might get a dive in Thursday but I wasn't going to sit there all week waiting for a dive that will probably be in trashed viz. They were going to make a run for Falmouth on the Tuesday if the weather broke but with big low pressures moving in on the Friday I had visions of being stranded in Falmouth till Sunday.

8m swell on Sunday 6-7m swell on Monday the ferry came in with its windows blown out and we saw a lot of Sea King activity.

I love my diving, but thats no fun at all.

ATB

Mark Chase

Looking at the weather I didn't think you'd be doing much more than looking at Plymouth for the week

I'm surprised the trip wasn't cancelled given the forecast.
As you say, it's no longer fun when the weather's that bad, & for such a long period.

Cheers

Giles

24th May 2006, 10:15	#1 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	My head is back but i am still concerned Got my head back today with a work sheet. Under reported faults it says.... "l H/Set turns off with no warning" Assuming the "l" is a L for Left they have the wrong hand set as it was the Right hand Master hand set with the problem. With regard to the URI HUD it states the following. Piggy back sensor wires affecting the cell reading by 0.11 on module screens. Conected by twisting wires together and pushing into connector, then attempted to make waterproof with tape. Tape totally ineffective - removed. Then someone has altered the cell error with a different color pen to 0.01?? Even though its pretty obvious when looking at them and despite the fact i have told them, they are still concerned about the non crimping connectors? The wires are not "pushed in" to the connectors, The connectors are like the petals of a rose and they are compressed on to the wires by screwing down the cap. Compared with the point contact made by the leaf springs on the Molex end I just cant see them being a week point? Under works it has a replacement buzzer hose a full service and it says Solenoid N3 17.5 C+G. I have no idea what this means. No mention of a cracked hand set this time? The HUD has been taken out of the loom but they kindly left me the molex connectors so it shouldn't be too hard to put back together. All in all its very frustrating. I was hoping it would be a cut and dried issue with a switch in the right hand hand set. That I could understand. As it is I don't actually feel confident that the problem is fixed. They have taken out my batteries (used one dive) so Ill have to put new ones in and from experience it takes two or three dives before the error occurred. When it does the master just switches off with no low battery warning. Seeing as I used to get several dives out of a set of batteries and it always showed a low battery warning before I had a hand set shut down, it seems to demonstrate a problem. I can only hope that its fixed. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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24th May 2006, 10:34	#2 (permalink)
VTR New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Devon Posts: 39	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Got my head back today with a work sheet. Under reported faults it says.... "l H/Set turns off with no warning" Assuming the "l" is a L for Left they have the wrong hand set as it was the Right hand Master hand set with the problem. With regard to the URI HUD it states the following. Piggy back sensor wires affecting the cell reading by 0.11 on module screens. Conected by twisting wires together and pushing into connector, then attempted to make waterproof with tape. Tape totally ineffective - removed. Then someone has altered the cell error with a different color pen to 0.01?? Even though its pretty obvious when looking at them and despite the fact i have told them, they are still concerned about the non crimping connectors? The wires are not "pushed in" to the connectors, The connectors are like the petals of a rose and they are compressed on to the wires by screwing down the cap. Compared with the point contact made by the leaf springs on the Molex end I just cant see them being a week point? Under works it has a replacement buzzer hose a full service and it says Solenoid N3 17.5 C+G. I have no idea what this means. No mention of a cracked hand set this time? The HUD has been taken out of the loom but they kindly left me the molex connectors so it shouldn't be too hard to put back together. All in all its very frustrating. I was hoping it would be a cut and dried issue with a switch in the right hand hand set. That I could understand. As it is I don't actually feel confident that the problem is fixed. They have taken out my batteries (used one dive) so Ill have to put new ones in and from experience it takes two or three dives before the error occurred. When it does the master just switches off with no low battery warning. Seeing as I used to get several dives out of a set of batteries and it always showed a low battery warning before I had a hand set shut down, it seems to demonstrate a problem. I can only hope that its fixed. ATB Mark Chase Just a small suggestion, leave the HUD out of the unit/disconnected for a few dives & if the problem reoccurs then you don't have to go through all the hassle of removing it before you send the head back. Now, I know what you're going to say, that it's not the HUD that's causing the problem. Fair enough, I don't know one way or the other, but it would save you the hassle of either removing it before sending the head back, &/or APD saying that the HUD is causing the problem. Cheers Giles
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24th May 2006, 10:40	#3 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by VTR) Just a small suggestion, leave the HUD out of the unit/disconnected for a few dives & if the problem reoccurs then you don't have to go through all the hassle of removing it before you send the head back. Now, I know what you're going to say, that it's not the HUD that's causing the problem. Fair enough, I don't know one way or the other, but it would save you the hassle of either removing it before sending the head back, &/or APD saying that the HUD is causing the problem. Cheers Giles Its not just that. I personaly beleive diving without a HUD is bloody dangerous. Especialy with a unit that has a nasty habit of switching its self off. On ALL the ocasions where the hand set failed the HUD carried on working fine. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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24th May 2006, 10:54	#4 (permalink)
VTR New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Devon Posts: 39	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Its not just that. I personaly beleive diving without a HUD is bloody dangerous. Especialy with a unit that has a nasty habit of switching its self off. On ALL the ocasions where the hand set failed the HUD carried on working fine. ATB Mark Chase I understand where you're coming from, having a back up system is always a good idea. I have a seperate cell in the head connected to the VR3, if the unit dies I can run it manauly from the VR3. Ok, it's only one cell, but it's better than nothing & it's indipendent of the rest. Just trying to save you the hassle if the problem reoccurs. On a different note, as the weather's cr#p I take it you didn't get out on the Watcher this week? Cheers Giles.
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24th May 2006, 10:57	#5 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 987	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by VTR) I understand where you're coming from, having a back up system is always a good idea. I have a seperate cell in the head connected to the VR3, if the unit dies I can run it manauly from the VR3. Ok, it's only one cell, but it's better than nothing & it's indipendent of the rest. Just trying to save you the hassle if the problem reoccurs. On a different note, as the weather's cr#p I take it you didn't get out on the Watcher this week? Cheers Giles. If primary and secondary go nuts, i would probably bail out, i would not dive on one cell, but that is just me /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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24th May 2006, 11:05	#6 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by VTR) On a different note, as the weather's cr#p I take it you didn't get out on the Watcher this week? Cheers Giles. We sat in Harbor Sat Sun and Mon and then I quit and went home. They might get a dive in Thursday but I wasn't going to sit there all week waiting for a dive that will probably be in trashed viz. They were going to make a run for Falmouth on the Tuesday if the weather broke but with big low pressures moving in on the Friday I had visions of being stranded in Falmouth till Sunday. 8m swell on Sunday 6-7m swell on Monday the ferry came in with its windows blown out and we saw a lot of Sea King activity. I love my diving, but thats no fun at all. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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24th May 2006, 11:20	#7 (permalink)
johnv Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Posts: 156	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Its not just that. I personaly beleive diving without a HUD is bloody dangerous. Especialy with a unit that has a nasty habit of switching its self off. I'll bite. if you look at your handsets regularly and listen to the solenoid how is this actually life threatening. Inconvenient yes, but to a competent CCR diver that should be all. John
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24th May 2006, 11:26	#8 (permalink)
VTR New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Devon Posts: 39	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) If primary and secondary go nuts, i would probably bail out, i would not dive on one cell, but that is just me /Jonny Yes, I agree, if I didn't feel happy I'd probably do the same, one things for sure, I wouldn't continue the dive, it would be aborted!!! But for me, it's another tool in the Rebreather toolbox to get me out of the smelly stuff, & as I tend to monitor both the handsets & VR3 throughout a dive, I have a good idea of how they're working with each other & I've always got a dil flush to check that cell. It's not ideal, but it's better than a blindfold Cheers Giles.
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24th May 2006, 11:52	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by johnv) I'll bite. if you look at your handsets regularly and listen to the solenoid how is this actually life threatening. Inconvenient yes, but to a competent CCR diver that should be all. John You see my problem then I wasn't fishing honest. I just believe strongly in the chant Always Know Your PP02. If your not using a HUD your going to struggle navigating the wreck, laying the line handling the video equipment or lift bag etc which is typical of pretty much all my diving. Things happen slow on a CCR they say, but at 70m an 02 spike can happen pretty damed fast. I cant hear the solenoid. I have herd it on red sea dives but for some reason on deep UK ones I cant here a damed thing. ATB __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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24th May 2006, 11:52	#10 (permalink)
VTR New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Devon Posts: 39	Re: My head is back but i am still concerned Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) We sat in Harbor Sat Sun and Mon and then I quit and went home. They might get a dive in Thursday but I wasn't going to sit there all week waiting for a dive that will probably be in trashed viz. They were going to make a run for Falmouth on the Tuesday if the weather broke but with big low pressures moving in on the Friday I had visions of being stranded in Falmouth till Sunday. 8m swell on Sunday 6-7m swell on Monday the ferry came in with its windows blown out and we saw a lot of Sea King activity. I love my diving, but thats no fun at all. ATB Mark Chase Looking at the weather I didn't think you'd be doing much more than looking at Plymouth for the week I'm surprised the trip wasn't cancelled given the forecast. As you say, it's no longer fun when the weather's that bad, & for such a long period. Cheers Giles
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